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    Training for Concealed Carry of NON Firearms

    By the way I read it, you will need the permit to carry "Electric Weapons, Knives and Clubs"

    Well all the focus seems to be on firearms training right ?

    Where is there ANY Mention of training for Concealed Carry of NON Firearms ?

    The "Qualifications" of DOJ approved trainers is all about firearms. All the training is geared toward it.
    If someong wants to carry say a stun gun or even a knife, they will have to pay for and complete training for something they will never use, am I right ? There will probably be nothing of use to them and they will still have to sit through the training and get NOTHING about the weapon they choose to carry.

    On the flip side, if there is such training for non firearms, then if you were to complete it, you could fulfill the training requirement for a permit to carry a firearm.

    For the sake of argument, firearms training may cost maybe $50.00, training for non firearms maybe $10.00 (hypothetical costs to be used as an example).

    Technically then either training would be valid for firearm carry.

    WHY would/should there be TRAINER qualification requirements by the DOJ if not every one wants to carry a firearm ?


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    I do less lethal training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I do less lethal training.
    What do you charge and how long is the class ?

    Then upon completion the Concealed Carry training requirement would be met and could be sent in for the permit application correct ?
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    I charge $50, and you need "Firearms Training" according to the bill. You would have to have your own less lethal device.

    Unfortunately there is no real distinction in the bill about the type of training, it just refers to "Firearms Training", and the only reason I offer less lethal is because it is a different dynamic than pistol, especially if you are carrying something other than a stun gun that is fit and function like a regular gun. Or at least that is my understanding of the bill. I would have to verify that. But I do offer less lethal training. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I charge $50, and you need "Firearms Training" according to the bill. You would have to have your own less lethal device.

    Unfortunately there is no real distinction in the bill about the type of training, it just refers to "Firearms Training", and the only reason I offer less lethal is because it is a different dynamic than pistol, especially if you are carrying something other than a stun gun that is fit and function like a regular gun. Or at least that is my understanding of the bill. I would have to verify that. But I do offer less lethal training. lol
    That's the problem, the only issue focused on was firearms and that is pretty lopsided if you ask me.

    ALL concealed weapons are capible of the same end and firearms are what the whiners are a-skared of, thus, the bill was written in this light.

    I don't know enough about what other states do but our law is too lopsided to allow the DOJ to "interpret" what/who is qualified to be a trainer.

    Training to me should what you want and what you learn from it from whoever you choose, not who the government tells you to. The training you get you should carry with you and build on it further EVERY time you carry a weapon.

    Thanks for your response, I'll be talking to you further about your training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Po-lock View Post
    That's the problem, the only issue focused on was firearms and that is pretty lopsided if you ask me.

    ALL concealed weapons are capible of the same end and firearms are what the whiners are a-skared of, thus, the bill was written in this light.

    I don't know enough about what other states do but our law is too lopsided to allow the DOJ to "interpret" what/who is qualified to be a trainer.

    Training to me should what you want and what you learn from it from whoever you choose, not who the government tells you to. The training you get you should carry with you and build on it further EVERY time you carry a weapon.

    Thanks for your response, I'll be talking to you further about your training.

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    It is important to remember that using less lethal is close quarters 99% of the time. So the training is similar to improvised weapons training. Kin to martial arts, but a lot more agressive, and with less compassion. lol That being said, I have to say that what I teach involves very agressive tactics, and with the exception of a distance taser, can lend themselves to causing great bodily harm. Like my other courses, I adapt it to what the students are capable of, but it is still effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I do less lethal training.
    "It slices, it dices"
    Seriously, what dont you do? :-)
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    It is similar to a scaled down version of the US Military Improvised weapns. And then I throw taser training in there for people who own tasers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    It is similar to a scaled down version of the US Military Improvised weapns. And then I throw taser training in there for people who own tasers.
    How about stun guns? My wife is considering one but is not happy with the "up close and personal" aspect.
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    Less lethal most of the time refers too bean bag rounds,gas ect.

    Are you lumping in there Unarmed tatics. Any use of force could have a lethal effect if use improperly.

    Improvise weapons can be very interisting but I wouldn't lump them under less lethal

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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    How about stun guns? My wife is considering one but is not happy with the "up close and personal" aspect.
    Unfortunately, a firearm and a distance taser are about the only 2 ways you will not end up doing "Up close and personal"



    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    Less lethal most of the time refers too bean bag rounds,gas ect.

    Are you lumping in there Unarmed tatics. Any use of force could have a lethal effect if use improperly.

    Improvise weapons can be very interisting but I wouldn't lump them under less lethal
    The refrence for less lethal that you are using is based on Law Enforcement training, and there are gaps in that. Like the Baton (Less Lethal), and the OC Spray (Less Lethal), and so on and so forth. Pugalistic self defense of any sort is also considered less lethal, and weapons that are not designed to cause great bodily harm, and/or death are also LESS LETHAL. The idea is that it is force or a weapon that is less likely to cause great bodily harm or death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Po-lock View Post
    WHY would/should there be TRAINER qualification requirements by the DOJ if not every one wants to carry a firearm ?
    It is what it is, I guess. I plan on getting a permit if for no other reason than so I can carry a 3" knife in my pocket without worrying about the police holding it against me. WI knife laws aren't exactly specific. On purpose, apparently.

    You can already carry pepper spray without a permit. Not so bad.

    Funny how I can open carry a .44 magnum or AR-15 without a permit, but even with a permit I assume I can't carry an assisted knife (switchblade) because they're illegal to possess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    Unfortunately, a firearm and a distance taser are about the only 2 ways you will not end up doing "Up close and personal"....
    I understand that; my question
    Originally Posted by davegran How about stun guns?....
    was meant to find out if you offered instruction in the use of the stun gun? And along those same, "up close and personal" lines, do you offer instruction in weapons retention, suitable for us older folks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    I understand that; my question was meant to find out if you offered instruction in the use of the stun gun? And along those same, "up close and personal" lines, do you offer instruction in weapons retention, suitable for us older folks?
    I should have clarified better. I do teach use of stun guns as a part of my less lethal course. But stun guns are still up close and personal weapons. I do also teach weapons retention as a part of my less lethal as well as my Concealed Carry. But I DO NOT teach it as a part of my intro to defensive firearms course. Mainly because the actual shooting dynamic is a tough idea for people to get use to because of the shoot and move aspect.

    I have devided my courses so that each one offers what you will need to know for personal defense. And while you can take just one course and feel more confident and capable, but each course still compliments the others. That way you can learn what you need to know for a given area, but you still have the option to learn more without NEEDING to take another course.

    What I teach is about making sure you can save your life or the lives of those that you care about. Not about making sure you need to come back for another course. And I teach according to what the student needs, so age plays a role, but not in a way that would hurt the quality of training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I do teach use of stun guns as a part of my less lethal course.
    How have you been doing that? Without having an actual stun gun I presume. Dummy stun gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousman View Post
    How have you been doing that? Without having an actual stun gun I presume. Dummy stun gun?
    I do it with a red gun version of a stun gun.
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    i'm not absolutely sure, but i think Shotgun covers these topics in his class he is offering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1 View Post
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