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    Instructors Run Rampant In Wisconsin!!!

    For starters, I have gotten several certificates back in the mail from courses I have offered to people on here, If you have taken one of my courses and have not gotten your cirtificate, PM me your full name and correct address and I wil get them out this week!

    Now, on to the heart of the matter:

    I have noticed that there are a lot of "Firearms Instructors" popping up since SB93 was on the desk, and I have something to say about that.

    Telling people what to do does not make you an instructor!!!!

    That being said, For god's sake people, make sure that you get a good instructor. I don't care who it is, just make sure they will teach you more than where to point a gun so that you don't shoot yourself (that was a figure of speach for those of you that would like to fight about it). Do some research, get a background, talk to the instructor, talk to those that have taken classes from that instructor, just make sure that you are not jeprodizing your lives, morals, or the safety of innocent people so that you can get a quick permit.

    There should be NO mandated training, aside from the training you want to take, But I again have to encourage everyone to be safe, and remind them that they need more than the book learning to make sure they can defend and survive. I don't much care if you are taking a free course, watching a DVD, reading books, or paying thousands of dollars for personal instruction, make sure you practice, and make sure you know you can survive.

    What if will not save your lives.
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    The title of this thread forced an image into my head of centaur like "instructors" running around with ferral hog bodies chasing potential customers......wait, can someone photoshop that and send it in to a newspaper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    For starters, I have gotten several certificates back in the mail from courses I have offered to people on here, If you have taken one of my courses and have not gotten your cirtificate, PM me your full name and correct address and I wil get them out this week!

    Now, on to the heart of the matter:

    I have noticed that there are a lot of "Firearms Instructors" popping up since SB93 was on the desk, and I have something to say about that.

    Telling people what to do does not make you an instructor!!!!

    That being said, For god's sake people, make sure that you get a good instructor. I don't care who it is, just make sure they will teach you more than where to point a gun so that you don't shoot yourself (that was a figure of speach for those of you that would like to fight about it). Do some research, get a background, talk to the instructor, talk to those that have taken classes from that instructor, just make sure that you are not jeprodizing your lives, morals, or the safety of innocent people so that you can get a quick permit.

    There should be NO mandated training, aside from the training you want to take, But I again have to encourage everyone to be safe, and remind them that they need more than the book learning to make sure they can defend and survive. I don't much care if you are taking a free course, watching a DVD, reading books, or paying thousands of dollars for personal instruction, make sure you practice, and make sure you know you can survive.

    What if will not save your lives.
    As an Instructor I couldn't agree more. IMHO we need to do more than just take a class that teaches just the bare minimum. ( Hunter Safety IMHO just doesn't meet any standard for carrying a defensive handgun). Practice Practice and then practice some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    The title of this thread forced an image into my head of centaur like "instructors" running around with ferral hog bodies chasing potential customers......wait, can someone photoshop that and send it in to a newspaper!
    The picture I had was Zombie instuctors...
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    I can't say what I was thinking of, it is far too graphic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I can't say what I was thinking of, it is far too graphic.
    A PORN..WITH HOT NAKED INSTUCTORS showing us how to use our weapons....lol
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    I was thinking more along the lines of creepy old guys sitting in the park counting their money in speedo's trying to pick up women like that while telling people that they are carrying a gun and that qualifies them to teach people how to defend themselves. And then asking the attractive women if they can guess where they are hiding their spare mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I can't say what I was thinking of, it is far too graphic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of creepy old guys sitting in the park counting their money in speedo's trying to pick up women like that while telling people that they are carrying a gun and that qualifies them to teach people how to defend themselves. And then asking the attractive women if they can guess where they are hiding their spare mags.
    How would one go about ccw while in a speedo...? You know, for informational purposes only... Yeah... That's it... Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    How would one go about ccw while in a speedo...? You know, for informational purposes only... Yeah... That's it... Lol.
    You figure out the holster....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    You figure out the holster....

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    Oh... OH! Lol. Spare mags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    The picture I had was Zombie instuctors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    You figure out the holster....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    A PORN..WITH HOT NAKED INSTUCTORS showing us how to use our weapons....lol
    Anybody notice that she had her fingers on the triggers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    Anybody notice that she had her fingers on the triggers?
    Anybody notice that she had fingers?

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    Yep, and they MIGHT be breaking the law....

    I agree instructors are coming out of the wood work so to speak, and they might all be in violation of the law. I have seen several posts about "DOJ doesn't know" what exactly will be accepted as training other than hunter safety.

    For example, the bill say "national or state organization that certifies instructors." It is assumed they have to be certified "firearms" instructors, but they could just as easily be certified cooking instructors as I understand the bill.

    Until DOJ make some rules, hunter education is the only specified training. Everything else is speculation and claims of "meets or exceeds" the training requirement are false advertising.

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    were supporting Auric's CC classes here, and have posted flyers on them on the shop front window, and in the lounge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    How would one go about ccw while in a speedo...? You know, for informational purposes only... Yeah... That's it... Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    were supporting Auric's CC classes here, and have posted flyers on them on the shop front window, and in the lounge.
    A massive commitment to public service...and yet he still manages to find time to perform kitty levitations(pro bono; even!!!), come folks; All hail the Cat Whisperer...McX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurchiron View Post
    A massive commitment to public service...and yet he still manages to find time to perform kitty levitations(pro bono; even!!!), come folks; All hail the Cat Whisperer...McX
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    nice tiger hat dude! i want one! floating kitties is only one of my talents, i can also make cheeseburgers, and 1911's disappear into thin air!

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    nice tiger hat dude! i want one! floating kitties is only one of my talents, i can also make cheeseburgers, and 1911's disappear into thin air!
    That's why my Kimber comes standard with a lanyard hole...to prevent its loss due to floating felines, ambling about on magic carpeted cheeseburgers .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurchiron View Post
    That's why my Kimber comes standard with a lanyard hole...to prevent its loss due to floating felines, ambling about on magic carpeted cheeseburgers .
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    A PORN... WITH HOT NAKED INSTUCTORS
    What, no hot naked male instructors? C'mon!
    I was going to say that shooting naked would make for more brass burns, but I guess it really wouldn't, since there's no place it can get trapped.
    It might, however, make for more NDs since people are likely to be distracted.
    So I guess the safety argument comes out in favor of clothing. The aesthetics, however...
    There are people who should generally wear clothes when around others, & there are people whom it's quite pleasant to see without clothes (or with very little clothing). The problem is when people in the first group get themselves confused & think they're in the second.

    Quote Originally Posted by Support The 2nd
    ...the bill says "national or state organization that certifies instructors." It is assumed they have to be certified "firearms" instructors, but they could just as easily be certified cooking instructors as I understand the bill.
    Until DOJ make some rules, hunter education is the only specified training. Everything else is speculation and claims of "meets or exceeds" the training requirement are false advertising.
    (OK, I just opened the PDF of the bill & put in the correct page # to go to the 'training' section. [Pg. 8] Didn't have to think about it. I've spent too much time looking at that bill.)
    So: 175.60 (4)(a) Requires a copy of a document showing completion of one of:
    (1)
    a) hunter's safety
    b) a firearms safety or training course by a nat'l or state org. that certifies firearms instructors
    c) a FSorTC for the public by a LEA; OR by a school, if the instructor @ the school is certified by a nat'l or state org that CFI
    d) a FSorTC for LEO or private security or detective agencies
    e) a FSorTC by an instructor who is certified by the DOJ or by a nat'l or state org that CFI

    (2) military, LE, or security training substantially equivalent to #1.

    (3) LTCF from any state, county, or municipality (unless it was revoked for cause)

    (4) military small-arms training

    So yes, it does repeatedly say "firearms instructors". Darn.
    That would have been even more fun to argue through a court challenge than the MD class.
    Not worth the hassle, but interesting.

    And yes, it's reasonably specific about what types of training are acceptable.
    I'd like to see someone just turning 21 use their Eddie Eagle certificate from 2nd grade to get a permit.
    There would have to be a ruling on something like that, but I think it would qualify. Isn't that a firearms safety course from a qualifying national org.?
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    Maybe we can hire this guy .

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