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    How'd I do/What would you have done?

    A couple days ago, I'm stepping through a parking lot in front of a gas station in Covington. I'm OC with a S&W Model 15 (Full size revolver - used to be it was practically the "official duty gun of every cop in the country" weapon - There's absolutely *NOTHING* "sneaky" about it) on my strong side hip, and pushing a small cart I'm going to use to drag my groceries home with my weak side hand.

    Some joker pops out of the gas station (I saw him coming, dismissed him as "Looks kinda "punk"-like, but obviously unarmed, and basically harmless") comes around the back end of the car (apparently his) parked in front of the door, and as he does, he apparently notices my weapon. So far, so "no big deal"...

    But then as he rounds the corner of the car, he spins around, and as he mimes drawing a gun, shouts "Draw muthaf***er!" while pointing his freshly-drawn "finger gun" at me. Thankfully for my peace of mind, and fortunately for his well-being, somehow (I can't explain it any better than this) I "expected" it to happen - I'm sure you all know that "Something - Can't say what, or how I know it, but SOMETHING - screwy is about to happen" feeling... I'm not claiming ESP or precognition, or anything like that, just a hard-to-explain "gut feeling" that sometimes hits me - maybe it's just the heightened awareness that I feel when I'm OC in public. Whatever... Point is, fortunately, my reaction was nothing more deadly than a burst of annoyance that anyone could possibly be *THAT* stupid, a glance his way to verify that my original "unarmed, maybe a punk, but probably harmless - No target" assessment was correct, and continuing on my way while shaking my head at the stupidity involved. I mean jeez... Does this idiot *WANT* somebody to shoot him??? Or is there some other rational (but mysterious to me) explanation for such behavior when it can be clearly seen that the person being addressed isn't armed with a finger, but has an absolutely real gun hanging in "Blind man can't miss it" plain sight on his belt?

    Anyway, thought I'd ask here for comments on both my handling, and any "You should have ________" or "If it was me, I would have ________" type observations on the situation. (No, I'm not looking for "You should've shot him" - At no point in the encounter did that even occur to me as being a viable option. Then again, I'd be lying if I were to try to claim that a thought something along the lines of "If I had shot him, the average IQ of the species would have risen by a point or three..." didn't float through my head as I walked away )

    FWIW, Did my shopping at Freddy's, didn't get so much as a cross-eyed look from anybody, had a nice chat with the cashier (he obviously noticed my weapon, since he asked me what "flavor" it was, but just as obviously wasn't particularly concerned about it) while checking out, loaded up my little cart, and headed for home, arriving without further incident - in other words, aside from the doofus at the gas station, an absolutely standard (from my experience) non-incident trip to the Covington Freddy's for groceries.

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    Looks like you played it pretty well. I like how you didn't dignify his action with a response.
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    You could have asked him what kind of an idiot he is.

    or

    You could have asked him if that single finger he is waving around is his IQ.

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    Me, I'd probably have presented my middle finger to him. After all, self-defense is proportionate, and he's only aiming fingers.

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    I keep some pepper spray on me while carrying for instances like these. Needless to say, if I had that gut feeling his finger gun probably would have been met with my pepper spray at the ready.
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    Wow, my head is spinning after trying to decipher all the "Quotes" in this story. However, you did the right thing. Good job.

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    1) What an idiot he is.
    1a) Cops have shot people dead for what he did.
    1b) Did you call the cops to report him as suicidal?
    1c) Better yet, get him arrested for brandishing, like Skidmark was*.

    2) Ignoring him was probably best. Maybe a "you sad thing" look w/ a headshake.
    Flipping him off would have escalated the situation.
    "Be innocent of instigation. Retreat, retreat, retreat."

    * Someone has misread this to mean that I somehow think Skid brought his troubles on himself, or that they're funny, or that he did something wrong.
    None of that is true.
    (Well, it's funny in a "Surry can't really be that stupid, can they?" sort of way.)
    I know Surry was/is being asinine about the whole deal,
    but if he can be persecuted for doing nothing threatening,
    why can't this idiot get in some hot water for pointing a "finger gun", yelling "DRAW!" & an obscenity?
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    Your ESP is called situational awareness and you have it and use it well. I say kudos for the way you handled it by ignoring the act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CheerfulHoplite View Post
    Anyway, thought I'd ask here for comments on both my handling, and any "You should have ________" or "If it was me, I would have ________" type observations on the situation.
    You did fine. Especially sizing the guy up. Good on you.

    But, really, the guy was no threat to you. And no threat means no response involving threat of deadly force is warranted.

    If you were to have pulled out the ole pistola, a lot would have been different. Probably bad. Mostly bad for you.

    You did fine.

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    Ya done good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    Flipping him off would have escalated the situation.
    Escalated to what? He was a smart-ass being a smart-ass. Would he have gotten smarter? I doubt it. Would he have picked a fight with an armed man? Not likely.

    I am with Difdi, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and that would have been appropriate given the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFED12 View Post
    However, you did the right thing. Good job.
    Couldn't agree more. As we gain maturity, we learn that keeping the smart comments or gestures to ourselves is often the best course.

    Raise the alert level and be prepared for defensive action if the situation escalates but in situations like this, these idiots don't have an "Act II". They just move on and try to impress others of the same IQ level with their idiocy.
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    I would have called 9-11 and said "a man (description), threatened to shoot me, not sure if he had a weapon, he verbalized it", and give location. I probably would have demanded the guy's name and/or watched to see if he got in a car and get his license plate #.
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    well,,,

    why be so serious?
    i think it would be appropriate to slap my gut, where the finger gun shot had Killed me, and said ouwwww...
    THEN since we both knew I wasnt really DEAD,,, I Could make and Point MY finger gun, and shoot that guy back!!
    then we would be even, and we could both laugh, smile, and enjoy the rest of our day...
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    Since no one else went there...



    "You should have shot him."

    If only to raise the collective IQ of the species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapmonkay View Post
    I keep some paper spray on me while carrying for instances like these. Needless to say, if I had that gut feeling his finger gun probably would have been met with my paper spray at the ready.
    Need to go back to the edit feature, or let me know where I can get "paper spray" Spelling/sarcasm nazi off.
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    A little humor, after him pointing his finger gun at you, your response could have been Oh good one you got me, Now Let Me Try

    You did just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Need to go back to the edit feature, or let me know where I can get "paper spray" Spelling/sarcasm nazi off.
    paper spray gives paper cuts.
    Last edited by slapmonkay; 07-13-2011 at 12:35 PM.

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    First you did fine,

    However, I think my response would be to say something like "you should get into the cowboy quick draw compitition game. It's fun, and there you can find out how fast you really are."

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    I would have taken a picture of him and/or his car with my phone, then called the cops. He's on the fast track to winning a Darwin Award.

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    good thing it was just a finger gun...................i would have glanced at my sidearm. looked at his finger and just said "mines bigger" and walked away haha +1 on how you handled it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Since no one else went there...



    "You should have shot him."

    If only to raise the collective IQ of the species.

    Stupid people playing stupid games win stupid prizes.

    Seeing as how so many folks who pointed cellphones or video cameras or flashlights at cops have been shot dead on the spot, I'd say the doofus should have continued his lucky streak by buying a Lotto ticket.

    Congrats on being aware enough to 1) have spotted him before things started happening, 2) making the correct assessment, 3) having the self-control, and 4) walking away without getting further embroiled with him and his stupid behavior.

    As much as it pains me, I agree with Badger Johnson on calling the cops to report him for assault and terroristic threats. But I would have dialed 9-1-1 instead of trying to enter a date on my keypad. Calling the cops is not Barney "nipping it in the bud".

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnarlyWino
    Escalated to what? He was a smart-ass being a smart-ass.
    ...Would he have picked a fight with an armed man? Not likely.
    He apparently was trying to provoke a shooting.
    He may have just been goofing, but it's not something to goof about, unless you're kids w/ cap guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson
    I would have called 9-11 and said "a man (description), threatened to shoot me, not sure if he had a weapon, he verbalized it", and give location.
    Hadn't thought of that, but it's good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger Johnson View Post
    I would have called 9-11 and said "a man (description), threatened to shoot me, not sure if he had a weapon, he verbalized it", and give location. I probably would have demanded the guy's name and/or watched to see if he got in a car and get his license plate #.
    Ditto..and he may have gotten pepper sprayed just for funsies!

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    "Brandishing" with a finger can be a serious offense if you know Skidmark's story. (a complete and utter stupidity) You should have had him arrested.......lol
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