If it is designed or redisigned to be fired from one hand, it is a handgun...
Bring up a red flag? Why?
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removing the purchase delay in WI law
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If it is designed or redisigned to be fired from one hand, it is a handgun...
Bring up a red flag? Why?
Tom Maassen
Regular Member
Well, maybe not a red flag, but should at least raise an eyebrow. Wal-mart doesn't stock that much ammo (at least the one by me).
hehehe my new CC piece.
hehehe my new CC piece.
M
McX
Guest
found an application for your new CC piece, works for me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DZ6NYPPoQc
Kriss Super V, Beretta PX4 Storm, and H&K MP5 (just a few examples, I know there are many more) all use pistol rounds, even though they are rifles. .410 can be used in a handgun, rifle, or shotgun. Oh no, what do we do now?!
Tom Maassen
Regular Member
That's exactly my point! Reading back, my original post wasn't worded correctly to get my point across, and I apologize for that.
What makes rifle and pistol ammo different? According to Wikipedia, a handgun can chamber anything for the 2.34 mm all the way up to a .577 Boxer round, and that's before some of the really fun guns that chamber 30-30, .458 Winchester, or even the .600 Nitro (God help your wrist after pulling that trigger).
9mm is becoming a popular rifle too. I've seen a couple around the club, and they look pretty fun to shoot. So who makes the final call on the difference?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges
littlewolf
Regular Member
The tactical pistol grip shotgun is still a long gun 26" overall & 18" barrel and cannot be used for CC under our new law. The Mares Leg however is the alternitive and is a handgun!
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Archangel
Regular Member
Correct. That is NOT legal to do. You can buy one from somebody in another state. But the transfer must go through an FFL.
MKEgal
Regular Member
The Fleet Farm in Germantown insists that 9mm is only for pistols.Tom said:
I asked the guy one time why some ammo was behind the counter & most was available for self-service, & he said that the pistol ammo was behind the counter. (The store also requires the clerk to verify your age, fill out a form, put it in a sealed plastic bag, then the checkout clerk also checks your age, but all of that is only for pistol ammo.)
So I asked, what if an adult under 21 wanted ammo for his rifle that uses 9mm?
He says something to the effect of "then it's using pistol ammo & we wouldn't sell it to him".
If it's a rifle, then it's using rifle ammo.
Wonder how he rationalizes .22?
I know we have some FFLs here... any insight into the "reasoning" of BATFE?
Unless it was used in a crime (including being stolen by policeArchangel said:
), how would anyone know?I'm sure it happens frequently with people with criminal intent,
less frequently with average citizens (some of whom may not know better).
Or how would BATFE prove that I bought a pistol in another state, as opposed to receiving it as a gift from a friend?
(It would, of course, be smart to get something in writing from the friend at the time of the gift... but it's not necessary, so how would they prove their claim that the pistol I own was bought illegally?)
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davegran
Regular Member
Oh man, shades of Steve McQueen.... :banana:
oliverclotheshoff
Regular Member
heres a thought most of the rifle rounds can be used in the contenders so technically they already are selling pistol ammo
littlewolf
Regular Member
The Fleet Farm in Germantown insists that 9mm is only for pistols.
I asked the guy one time why some ammo was behind the counter & most was available for self-service, & he said that the pistol ammo was behind the counter. (The store also requires the clerk to verify your age, fill out a form, put it in a sealed plastic bag, then the checkout clerk also checks your age, but all of that is only for pistol ammo.)
So I asked, what if an adult under 21 wanted ammo for his rifle that uses 9mm?
He says something to the effect of "then it's using pistol ammo & we wouldn't sell it to him".
If it's a rifle, then it's using rifle ammo.
Wonder how he rationalizes .22?
I know we have some FFLs here... any insight into the "reasoning" of BATFE?
Unless it was used in a crime (including being stolen by police
I'm sure it happens frequently with people with criminal intent,
less frequently with average citizens (some of whom may not know better).
Or how would BATFE prove that I bought a pistol in another state, as opposed to receiving it as a gift from a friend?
(It would, of course, be smart to get something in writing from the friend at the time of the gift... but it's not necessary, so how would they prove their claim that the pistol I own was bought illegally?)
FFL's can only transfer to non FFL's that are residents of the state their license was issued. Also your'e only allowed to sell and or transfer at the address on your license with the exeption of gun shows or certain qualified events and you have to log that on the 4473.
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littlewolf
Regular Member
davegran
Regular Member
A guy I know does the FFL transfer for $20 and the NICS check on an AK-47 receiver I had sent to him took about 2 minutes....
littlewolf
Regular Member
$20 for a free nics check ain't bad. I only charge $15 for long guns(NICS) and $20 for hand guns.$13 state fee. Since I'm retired my time ain't worth $20 hr no more >lol
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DangerClose
Regular Member
It's amusing how stores will put the 9mm "pistol ammo" behind the counter but not the 7.62x39 for an AK Draco pistol. :lol:
jpm84092
Regular Member
Pretty Silly Law
I remember the 48 hour wait law. It started out as a "cooling off period" law, but LEO with proper photo ID were exempt. It seems pretty silly now that SB-93 is becoming law. Once you have a permit you can carry concealed into the gun store, purchase a handgun while carrying concealed, but must wait to receive your new handgun. And when the wait period is over, you can pick up your new handgun while carrying another one concealed. Pretty Dumb. - Or, perhaps the gun stores support this because it gets you into the store twice. I don't know about you but it nearly takes an ACT OF GOD to keep me from purchasing something when I am at the gun store.
Just as silly - I purchase a handgun at Cabela's or Sportsman's Warehouse while carrying my trusty Springfield XD or Glock, but the store clerk carries the handgun to the check out, I pay, and on my way out, the clerk hands me the new handgun. (I have done this open carry as well.)
I remember the 48 hour wait law. It started out as a "cooling off period" law, but LEO with proper photo ID were exempt. It seems pretty silly now that SB-93 is becoming law. Once you have a permit you can carry concealed into the gun store, purchase a handgun while carrying concealed, but must wait to receive your new handgun. And when the wait period is over, you can pick up your new handgun while carrying another one concealed. Pretty Dumb. - Or, perhaps the gun stores support this because it gets you into the store twice. I don't know about you but it nearly takes an ACT OF GOD to keep me from purchasing something when I am at the gun store.
Just as silly - I purchase a handgun at Cabela's or Sportsman's Warehouse while carrying my trusty Springfield XD or Glock, but the store clerk carries the handgun to the check out, I pay, and on my way out, the clerk hands me the new handgun. (I have done this open carry as well.)
Once the FOPA removed the long gun restriction, the contiguous state rule died. The statutes that states still had on the books were permissive - residents could purchase in an adjacent state and of no effect. They never said anything about not being able to buy. That was within the federal law. So a repeal of the state law isn't necessary.
littlewolf
Regular Member
Actually the cooling off period is supposedly the time it takes for the DOJ to get a response from NICS if there is a hold on the back round check .Sort of like NICS OK to transfer after a hold in 3 days if no response . I've had that happen on a couple of customers with common names and or skeletons in the closet but no felonies
Nascar24Glock
Regular Member
I'm not so sure about that. Around here (Tennessee), our Wal-marts stock long guns (as I'm sure many do). All of them have a map of the U.S. posted in their gun department, with the states whose residents can purchase from that store colored green and the states whose residents can't purchase colored in red. Florida, Nevada, and South Dakota (among about 10 or fewer other states) were marked in red, as of a couple of months ago. If I recall right, those three states (along with a couple of others) repealed their contiguous state law this year.
It probably depends on how the states' versions of the law are/were written. Those that simply said "contiguous-state residents can purchase" would technically not need repealing, except to eliminate wordiness and prevent possible confusion. However, states that copied the federal law and said (in short) "non-residents can't purchase, unless they are in a contiguous state" would have to repeal their law.
jpm84092
Regular Member
I yield to your knowledge Sir. Here in UT, as one of the super-six in the eyes of the ATF, there is no wait period if one has a UT CFP since UT repeats background checks every 24 hours (usually at 2 AM each day including weekends).