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    Thumbs down Remember, they disarm you for "Officer Safety".

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Offi...125611263.html

    Two police officers were taken to the hospital Thursday after accidentally being shot by another officer.

    It happened just before 5 p.m. at the Auburn police shooting range. Officers from numerous agencies were there at the time.
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    At a place designed to facilitate safe shooting....brilliant. I hope more details come out regarding how this occurred.
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    And they worry about "us"?
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    The firearm safety instruction at police academies must be just fabulous! I can't count the number of times I've seen an officer unsafely handling a firearm on one of the police reality shows. Frightening! These are the people we supposed to call to protect us?

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    Big improvement over shooting innocent people on the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Big improvement over shooting innocent people on the street.
    Pure cynicism on my part here but they are "JUST PRACTICING!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARADCOM View Post
    Two police officers were taken to the hospital Thursday after accidentally being shot by another officer.
    They should have just stopped resisting.

    *hat tip to whoever used that line about the fox being clubbed to death by a park ranger

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    CEASE FIRE..................please!

    I have run quite a few small arms ranges for the Army and Navy over the past forty years. Not every soldier should be allowed to possess a weapon or even be allowed on a range. Apparently this may hold true for a few people on this range. An exercise was in progress so the usual firing line shoot so who knows what kind of safety violation occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by news article
    Auburn police said a gun was accidentally fired
    "Accidentally?"

    "Accidentally!"

    Seriously, accidentally?

    Negligence. The negligent officer should be immediately fired.

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    I would be curious to see the numbers on how many civilians are shot by civilians and how many civilians have been shot by cops. For some reason the civilian with a gun is always the one feared by the public. It's as bad as a statement I heard on K-9 cops today. The Officer says he understands how people get in fights, but cant understand how once one of them are down the other can just keep kicking them. I think back to all the clips I see where someone is cuffed and laying face down and then stomped by a cop. I wonder if he doesnt understand that either.
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    Well look on the bright side....

    Might have been worse if someone hadn't left their AR on the back of their cruiser....

    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    More apropos...

    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    OK, just talked to a buddy with the Renton PD who was not there but shoots there. He said they were doing a live fire drill shooting into a car and it was just a bad ricochet and not a ND and the papers got it wrong. So take that for what it's worth.

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    No honey it's not what it looks like.....she's just a friend.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorthebusdriver View Post
    OK, just talked to a buddy with the Renton PD who was not there but shoots there. He said they were doing a live fire drill shooting into a car and it was just a bad ricochet and not a ND and the papers got it wrong. So take that for what it's worth.
    Ahhh, so they turned the ND into a training opportunity in creative report writing.

    They need to learn how to lie well sometime, to get those high arrest and conviction rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorthebusdriver View Post
    OK, just talked to a buddy with the Renton PD who was not there but shoots there. He said they were doing a live fire drill shooting into a car and it was just a bad ricochet and not a ND and the papers got it wrong. So take that for what it's worth.
    So maybe the Training Officer or RSO needs a couple of days off for not anticipating this "accident". Even amateurs realize that when shooting at a metal surface ricochets can occur and will leave a good safe distance between them and the object.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    Ahhh, so they turned the ND into a training opportunity in creative report writing.

    They need to learn how to lie well sometime, to get those high arrest and conviction rates.
    UH huh. And what do you have to support this hypothesis? Anything? Didn't think so.

    I thought we were supposed to be better than "them." That means not pulling stuff out of our collective ass when we can't find anything concrete to pin on "them."
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    So after shooting this steel plated car the bullet couldnt penatrate, still had enough velocity to go through a leg and into an abdomen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    So after shooting this steel plated car the bullet couldnt penatrate, still had enough velocity to go through a leg and into an abdomen?
    They must not have watched Myth buster episode on ricochet's.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    So after shooting this steel plated car the bullet couldnt penatrate, still had enough velocity to go through a leg and into an abdomen?
    Like the farmer told his son, "Don't eat that Elmer, it's horse<crap>!"
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    So after shooting this steel plated car the bullet couldnt penatrate, still had enough velocity to go through a leg and into an abdomen?
    Groan. Here's the Wiki page on ricochets. Read up. Depending on what was being fired and from where, yes the round(s) or fragments thereof could easily have enough energy to penetrate flesh. Given that the guy reportedly wasn't hurt that bad, he probably got hit by frags or debris flying off the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    Pure cynicism on my part here but they are "JUST PRACTICING!"
    For what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    UH huh. And what do you have to support this hypothesis? Anything? Didn't think so.

    I thought we were supposed to be better than "them." That means not pulling stuff out of our collective ass when we can't find anything concrete to pin on "them."
    What do we have to support a different hypothesis? The word of a couple of Barney Fife's who are trying to avoid punishment. Thanks, actually in this case I'll trust what was originally reported, not what the story has changed to days later.

    /meh You're biased, I'm biased, everyone is biased but it's indisputable that some cops default to CYA mode and lie like rugs.
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    in this case I'll trust what was originally reported,
    Ah, the ol' I'll only trust the media when it reports something I agree with double-standard. Funny how when the press says anything vaguely anti-gun, everyone's all over it ... But, of course, since more credible info comes out regarding the "accidental shooting," some still prefer to believe the more salicious idea that a stupid cop negligently caused injury to a couple other cops ...

    but it's indisputable that some cops default to CYA mode and lie like rugs.
    Ah yeah, your bias is showing ...

    Picture this: a news story comes out that two citizens are injured in an accident following gunfire at a local shooting range ... details are sparse, but the media report implies that someone screwed up, even though it's not apparent in the story ... Were it average citizens involved, some of y'all would be preaching for patience, wait for the details to come out. But because the OP is a story about cops, y'all want to believe the worst.

    If you want to perpetuate an adversarial relationship with law enforcement, by all means, continue on with the rush to judgement and the ill-thought-out remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo View Post
    If you want to perpetuate an adversarial relationship with law enforcement
    The American legal system is.... adversarial in nature.

    Any 'civilian' contact with LEO is in essence adversarial in nature. That can even include victims of crime.

    Any time you have a large disparity of power, you have the key ingredient for producing an inherently adversarial relationship.

    Don't get mad at me for calling water wet.
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