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    New to Kentucky and open carry... Have some questions.

    Hello everyone.

    I was referred to these forums by a member on other boards.

    I recently moved to Kentucky from Virginia and was informed that I need to wait 6 months before I can get my CCW permit as a KY resident. I was very bummed out because I have been CCW for the past 6 years and not gone more than a day without protection for myself and my family. I was suggested to open carry in the mean time. I have no experience with this but have been reading these forums for info.

    I was hoping someone could inform me better or point me to a link with more info about specifically OC in kentucky. I live in northern KY outside of cincinnati OH. The fort wright/ covington/ florence area to be specific. Anybody have any experience with OC here? Any of you live in this area? I have been informed by EMTs who work in my area that drug related crimes including home invasion, robbery, and shootings are increasing here. I honestly dont feel safe in our crime ridden world now a days without personal protection.

    The main concern I have with OC is being hassled about it by LEOs or refused service etc. from a business.


    Thanks in advance for all your help.

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    Welcome to OCDO!!!! Do you have a valid VA CPL? If so, Kentucky honors that. In addition, Kentucky is pretty OC friendly, at least when I was there.
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    Welcome! Yes, legally you need to wait six months for your CCDW. I don't think they checked the length of my residency, however. As far as OC intricacies are concerned, you're best serve by doing a search. It's actually quite easy and convenient to OC in KY. With your vehicle, you may carry in any factory compartment without a CCDW. As for northern KY, Hotrod lives up there and can attest to little or no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langzaiguy View Post
    Welcome! Yes, legally you need to wait six months for your CCDW. I don't think they checked the length of my residency, however. As far as OC intricacies are concerned, you're best serve by doing a search. It's actually quite easy and convenient to OC in KY. With your vehicle, you may carry in any factory compartment without a CCDW. As for northern KY, Hotrod lives up there and can attest to little or no problems.
    Yes, I do live in NKY and open carry often. No one will ask any questions. I looked and could find no reason that you can't carry on your VA. conceal permit until you get our CDWL. If you get your drivers license and take the CDWL course, I don't know of any of the 3 counties (Boone, Kenton, Campbell) that would ask your residency time and I'm not sure the application ask. Also, gutshot seems to be the resident agent on Kentucky law. He is much better than I. He can give you more information. But, openly carrying in NKY is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod View Post
    Yes, I do live in NKY and open carry often. No one will ask any questions. I looked and could find no reason that you can't carry on your VA. conceal permit until you get our CDWL. If you get your drivers license and take the CDWL course, I don't know of any of the 3 counties (Boone, Kenton, Campbell) that would ask your residency time and I'm not sure the application ask. Also, gutshot seems to be the resident agent on Kentucky law. He is much better than I. He can give you more information. But, openly carrying in NKY is good.

    So you are saying my VA permit would still be valid even though I would be a KY resident with a KY ID card and obviously the address wouldnt match? Doesnt seem like that would fly. I do live in Kenton co. and if no one asks anywhere how long ive been a resident then I would probably get the CDWL asap. I need to get a different holster so I can try the open carry. My current one does not have any way to keep the gun in it. I dont want someone trying to snatch it from my side.



    Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meshuggah View Post
    So you are saying my VA permit would still be valid even though I would be a KY resident with a KY ID card and obviously the address wouldnt match? Doesnt seem like that would fly. I do live in Kenton co. and if no one asks anywhere how long ive been a resident then I would probably get the CDWL asap. I need to get a different holster so I can try the open carry. My current one does not have any way to keep the gun in it. I dont want someone trying to snatch it from my side.



    Thanks for the info guys I appreciate it.
    What I am saying is, I can't find where it says you can not carry on your VA permit. I've looked, and I'm hoping Gutshot can help. I have looked through KRS 237 and I can find nothing that says you can't, at least till you get your Kentucky CDWL. Kenton County is a no problem carry area. The Covington Police and Kenton County Sheriff know the law and will not bother you. Carry On!
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    Im sure that once you surrender your VA driver's license, that your VA CCDW will no longer be valid as you no longer have a presence in VA.

    I would not chance carrying on an out of state CCDW with a different address on it than what's on your driver's license.

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    I also live in the NKY area, open carry nearly every day for over a year now and have never had a problem. I've walked past LEOs from several cities/counties, noticed that they looked directly at my glock, and just went on doing what they were doing. That's the way it should be.

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    this is where having a non-resident CC license/permit from another state works to your benefit. Does VA issue non-resident permits, if so can you convert yours?

    As soon as I set up residency in Kentucky in Sept I can convert my Washington state to a non-resident and carry on ( I also have 5 other non-res license/permits).

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    My understanding is that VA offers non-resident permits. Should be easy and fast for you to get your resident permit transferred to a non-res permit, and the new one would have your KY address on it. Of course the way it should be and the way it actually is often don't line up. I know that if you really wanted to CC, many states offer non-resident permits that KY honors, though the wait may be close to as long as it is to get a KY permit with the 6 month wait.

    FWIW, they did check my residency when I picked up my KY permit at the sheriffs office. I just used a car title that had been issued a year earlier, although I think a utility bill would have also sufficed. Come to think of it they normally use a drivers license, but mine was brand new so they needed the alternate proof. So they may check everybody, without their knowing, by just looking at their DL which is a standard thing to hand over every time you walk into a government office. So you could do the class, and apply for the permit before the 6 months is up, and actually pick it up once you have lived here 6 months.

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    TW is righ.t I got my Kentucky drivers License. went and took the course, then applied for my ccdw. I showed my Kentucky License to pick- up my ccdw. never waited no 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Welcome to OCDO!!!! Do you have a valid VA CPL? If so, Kentucky honors that. In addition, Kentucky is pretty OC friendly, at least when I was there.
    THIS IS BAD ADVICE!!!! I am moving to KY in 2 weeks and contacted the State Patrol and was told that once I submit the form to officially change my address to n address in KY, my out of state CCW (WA State, KY does honor it...) WILL NO LONGER BE VALID. Do the research yourself, don't take anyone else's word for it. If you get caught concealing even if you thought you were legal, it could mean you won't be able to apply for a KY CCW once that 6 month waiting period is over.

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    Thank you guys for all your input. As far as my situation goes, I will try out OC in the very near future. I think that it is a good thing that bad guys can SEE you are armed as opposed to finding out. I still plan on getting my CCDW permit as well for situations that would require it. I just need to wait a few weeks to get some spare cash for two new holsters (one for my wife to OC too ). I hope to see other OCs out there. Ive only seen one since I moved here. He was getting some chow at a subway, I think it was on dixie highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meshuggah View Post
    Thank you guys for all your input. As far as my situation goes, I will try out OC in the very near future. I think that it is a good thing that bad guys can SEE you are armed as opposed to finding out. I still plan on getting my CCDW permit as well for situations that would require it. I just need to wait a few weeks to get some spare cash for two new holsters (one for my wife to OC too ). I hope to see other OCs out there. Ive only seen one since I moved here. He was getting some chow at a subway, I think it was on dixie highway.
    That may have been me. Next time say hi!
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    If it was you, you would remember this particular time. It was the subway across from a Rally's. The line was taking forever because there was only one employee. The line was to the door.

    There is a shoe repair place and a printing store next to it.

    That would be funny if it was you

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    I just moved to KY two days ago and this is what I have learned. I moved from WA State, KY DOES honor my CPL. HOWEVER, once you submit your change of address forms, UNLESS THE STATE YOU ARE MOVING FROM HONORS KENTUCK'YS CPL, your concelaed permit becomes void and you MUST wait 6 months to apply for a KY state CPL.

    If VA honors the KY permit however then since you already have a VA CPL you can walk in and apply for one the day you get here. I have checked this with numerous sources including the KY State Patrol.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage206 View Post
    I just moved to KY two days ago and this is what I have learned. I moved from WA State, KY DOES honor my CPL. HOWEVER, once you submit your change of address forms, UNLESS THE STATE YOU ARE MOVING FROM HONORS KENTUCK'YS CPL, your concelaed permit becomes void and you MUST wait 6 months to apply for a KY state CPL.

    If VA honors the KY permit however then since you already have a VA CPL you can walk in and apply for one the day you get here. I have checked this with numerous sources including the KY State Patrol.

    Hope this helps.
    Contact the dept of licensing in washington and change your address. WA does not have a resident/nonresident license. Once your address is updated for KY you are now legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1123 View Post
    I also live in the NKY area, open carry nearly every day for over a year now and have never had a problem. I've walked past LEOs from several cities/counties, noticed that they looked directly at my glock, and just went on doing what they were doing. That's the way it should be.
    I also live in independence, close to Oliver road. I don't think I've ever seen anyone oc out here. I have a cc permit, but would like to open carry. Any places I should avoid? I'm kind of nervous about doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponder85 View Post
    I also live in independence, close to Oliver road. I don't think I've ever seen anyone oc out here. I have a cc permit, but would like to open carry. Any places I should avoid? I'm kind of nervous about doing it.

    I was nervous about doing it too. Now that im doing it more and more im feeling better about it.

    I live like 3 miles from you up 17 down old madison pike 3035.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meshuggah View Post
    I was nervous about doing it too. Now that im doing it more and more im feeling better about it.

    I live like 3 miles from you up 17 down old madison pike 3035.
    I've looked through the ky constitution and the statutes and I don't see anywhere that states you can oc. What do you guys base the legality of this on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meshuggah View Post
    I was nervous about doing it too. Now that im doing it more and more im feeling better about it.

    I live like 3 miles from you up 17 down old madison pike 3035.
    Are you up by summit view? I live on don victor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponder85 View Post
    I've looked through the ky constitution and the statutes and I don't see anywhere that states you can oc. What do you guys base the legality of this on?
    Here ya' go hot shot, from Our Commonwealth's Constitution, section number one. Take note of the seventh Article.


    All men are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned:

    First: The right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties.

    Second: The right of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences.

    Third: The right of seeking and pursuing their safety and happiness.

    Fourth: The right of freely communicating their thoughts and opinions.

    Fifth: The right of acquiring and protecting property.

    Sixth: The right of assembling together in a peaceable manner for their common good, and of applying to those invested with the power of government for redress of grievances or other proper purposes, by petition, address or remonstrance.

    Seventh: The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State, subject to the power of the General Assembly to enact laws to prevent persons from carrying concealed weapons



    Bear:to carry or hold something, for example a weapon.
    Plain enough for ya'?
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    Thanks for the info guys. I figured it was the first section of the constitution. Is there anything an ******* cop could do to me for it? Like, get me on another law? Panic, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ponder85 View Post
    Thanks for the info guys. I figured it was the first section of the constitution. Is there anything an ******* cop could do to me for it? Like, get me on another law? Panic, etc?
    As said before, a police officer can write you for anything, but can it be sustained by the court? NO! And it opens the LEO for civil liability. They may try to bully you some, which has never happened to me open carrying, just stand your ground and know the law.
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    Hotrod pretty much said it. You're not breaking the law, but that doesn't really matter. If a cop wants to arrest you they will arrest you. Sometimes they'll just make it up as they go along. It does open them up, but it also goes to show you that it's always best to have a recorder or some kind of proof. For the same reason I carry a gun I carry a recorder. Not every citizen is a thug, but a few are so I carry a gun to protect myself. Not every cop is corrupt, but a few are so I carry a recorder to protect from their lies.
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