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Encounter - bad, really bad (borrowed from OFCC)
- Thread starter pirateguy191
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thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Bingo. We have a good link winner!
thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Wow, I really don't know what to say regarding the video. Complete lack of professionalism on the part of the officer. The driver was completely respectful. I will be making as big a contribution as I can. Hopefully, that video will be enough to have the charges dropped. The officer should fired for threatening to kill the driver. That to me is completely unacceptable. I would recommend getting that video to as many people as you can to drum up public support for the driver.
rpyne
Regular Member
I tried to donate to the legal defense fund, but the dimwits at OhioCCW require registration on their web store in order to donate. If and when they get their heads out in the sunshine I may try again.
riverrat10k
Regular Member
I linked to the story on Hot Air....
in the News and Political thread.
in the News and Political thread.
Related article on FoxNews.com:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/21/video-shows-ohio-cop-grow-irate-during-arrest/?test=latestnews
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/21/video-shows-ohio-cop-grow-irate-during-arrest/?test=latestnews
xraygil1
Regular Member
TV Coverage
Just saw this on FOX newschannel-going out all over the USA!!!!!!!!!!!
Just saw this on FOX newschannel-going out all over the USA!!!!!!!!!!!
rushcreek2
Regular Member
Oh - THIS is what is known as the "community caretaking function" of law enforcement........
How dare these irresponsible citizens be observed in a "high crime area", after dark . They should have been at home watching "COPS" . Don't they know that they are presumed to be GUILTY of some crime until they can convince the officers that they are NOT ?
My grandaughter's life was placed at risk about 2 years ago by two Ohio Troopers who ran her through the "search & destroy" ringer for daring to be on a highway during the wee hours on her way to NY. During a trumped up traffic stop (based upon her "crossing the solid white line" while taking the off-ramp) at night near Wooster, OH. The coerced "allowed" search of her vehicle resulted in rear speakers being damaged, and emissions control parts under the hood being left ajar - which resulted in the vehicle stalling out on the highway a few minutes down the road that required a wrecker, and a mechanics services the next day.
I filed a complaint with the Wooster District HP office. Never even got a response.
Not to "pile on" Ohio here - but a serious abuse of power problem exists in every state. This EX-COP evidenced clear symptoms of "I.E.D" - intermittent explosive disorder - a disqualifying criteria for issuance of a CHL in most states.
How dare these irresponsible citizens be observed in a "high crime area", after dark . They should have been at home watching "COPS" . Don't they know that they are presumed to be GUILTY of some crime until they can convince the officers that they are NOT ?
My grandaughter's life was placed at risk about 2 years ago by two Ohio Troopers who ran her through the "search & destroy" ringer for daring to be on a highway during the wee hours on her way to NY. During a trumped up traffic stop (based upon her "crossing the solid white line" while taking the off-ramp) at night near Wooster, OH. The coerced "allowed" search of her vehicle resulted in rear speakers being damaged, and emissions control parts under the hood being left ajar - which resulted in the vehicle stalling out on the highway a few minutes down the road that required a wrecker, and a mechanics services the next day.
I filed a complaint with the Wooster District HP office. Never even got a response.
Not to "pile on" Ohio here - but a serious abuse of power problem exists in every state. This EX-COP evidenced clear symptoms of "I.E.D" - intermittent explosive disorder - a disqualifying criteria for issuance of a CHL in most states.
jahwarrior
Member
here's an email i shot off to the Chief of Canton PD this morning:
lossely translated: ******** like this get police shot.
lossely translated: ******** like this get police shot.
luv_jeeps
Campaign Veteran
The cop is off the job and on administrative leave.
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...-canton-police-officer-in-trouble-on-the-job#
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...-canton-police-officer-in-trouble-on-the-job#
Pyro01
Regular Member
Hey guys, fellow OCDO member from WI, we caught wind of this and we're all appalled as well. In case you didn't know we finally got concealed carry passed, and it's things like this that we're worried about having to deal with when it comes to getting stopped by the police. A lot of police departments are raising a $**tstorm about concealed carry. I've been over on Canton OH's facebook page commenting on their video post of the incident, and they've been responding back, but they had to take the page down for some reason and they said it'd be back up "later". Anyways, I was in the middle of typing this comment and I wasn't able to post it before they took the page down, but I'll leave it here:
"I can understand a police department looking after their own, after all, they depend on each other for anything and everything because a situation can turn real ugly, real quickly. You have to be able to depend on your fellow officers no matter what. However, I think what ticks me off the most, is after the fact when an officer has committed a crime, and there's evidence of it on videotape and the department still "stands behind him". Granted the investigation is underway and the officer is "innocent until proven guilty". What does that say to everyone else who's been affected by this, you would stand behind an officer who's allegedly committed a crime and is innocent until proven guilty?
Why don't you just say that you're investigating the alleged crime, instead of backing the guy up immedietely. You're staking your reputation out there on a man who's done horrible things, all because of a brother/sisterhood-like bond? When you say things like this, it's like you're telling the public you support the officer whether or not he's done something wrong, and that you can expect the same thing to happen when the next guy does something wrong. You should adhere to the laws of this land, and when an officer is under fire for something he's done, he should be held accountable for his actions instead of condoning them. Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9Mt4krDtc "
"I can understand a police department looking after their own, after all, they depend on each other for anything and everything because a situation can turn real ugly, real quickly. You have to be able to depend on your fellow officers no matter what. However, I think what ticks me off the most, is after the fact when an officer has committed a crime, and there's evidence of it on videotape and the department still "stands behind him". Granted the investigation is underway and the officer is "innocent until proven guilty". What does that say to everyone else who's been affected by this, you would stand behind an officer who's allegedly committed a crime and is innocent until proven guilty?
Why don't you just say that you're investigating the alleged crime, instead of backing the guy up immedietely. You're staking your reputation out there on a man who's done horrible things, all because of a brother/sisterhood-like bond? When you say things like this, it's like you're telling the public you support the officer whether or not he's done something wrong, and that you can expect the same thing to happen when the next guy does something wrong. You should adhere to the laws of this land, and when an officer is under fire for something he's done, he should be held accountable for his actions instead of condoning them. Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9Mt4krDtc "
BrewTownBagger
Regular Member
I watched the video and was physically ill after watching it. I sure hope that the state of Wisconsin uses this as a training video for law enforcement and what not to do once our carry law takes effect in November. I can only imagine the fear and confusion this guy felt. 
Johnsmith1521
Regular Member
I want to see how tough this guy is WITHOUT the badge...
Freiheit417
Regular Member
From the previous OhioCCW link in this thread:
:exclaim: "UPDATE 7/22/2011: Canton Police announced Thursday that the officer was relieved of all duties in June following an internal investigation complaint filed in this matter. The local Canton Repository has done some additional investigatory work into the officers and an excellent analysis of the video / audio we posted."
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Justice, sir, is the great interest of man on earth. It is the ligament which holds civilized beings and civilized nations together. Wherever her temple stands, and so long as it is duly honored, there is a foundation for general security, general happiness, and the improvement and progress of our race.
DANIEL WEBSTER, speech, Sep. 12, 1845
:exclaim: "UPDATE 7/22/2011: Canton Police announced Thursday that the officer was relieved of all duties in June following an internal investigation complaint filed in this matter. The local Canton Repository has done some additional investigatory work into the officers and an excellent analysis of the video / audio we posted."
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Justice, sir, is the great interest of man on earth. It is the ligament which holds civilized beings and civilized nations together. Wherever her temple stands, and so long as it is duly honored, there is a foundation for general security, general happiness, and the improvement and progress of our race.
DANIEL WEBSTER, speech, Sep. 12, 1845
Freiheit417
Regular Member
ORC Ann. 2909.23 Making terroristic threat.
(A) No person shall threaten to commit or threaten to cause to be committed a specified offense when both of the following apply:
(1) The person makes the threat with purpose to do any of the following:
(a) Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(b) Influence the policy of any government by intimidation or coercion;
(c) Affect the conduct of any government by the threat or by the specified offense.
(2) As a result of the threat, the person causes a reasonable expectation or fear of the imminent commission of the specified offense.
(B) It is not a defense to a charge of a violation of this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability to commit the threatened specified offense or that the threat was not made to a person who was a subject of the threatened specified offense.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of making a terroristic threat, a felony of the third degree. Section 2909.25 of the Revised Code applies regarding an offender who is convicted of or pleads guilty to a violation of this section.
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Intimidation? Perhaps. Reasonable expectation of fear? Definitely.
IANAL...
I realize the language of this Ohio law may not actually fit this situation, but really, we know who rightfully should catch a felony charge here. I would argue that this officer's words were intended to intimidate anyone "stupid enough" to carry a gun, not just this individual, i.e. the civilian population.
(A) No person shall threaten to commit or threaten to cause to be committed a specified offense when both of the following apply:
(1) The person makes the threat with purpose to do any of the following:
(a) Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(b) Influence the policy of any government by intimidation or coercion;
(c) Affect the conduct of any government by the threat or by the specified offense.
(2) As a result of the threat, the person causes a reasonable expectation or fear of the imminent commission of the specified offense.
(B) It is not a defense to a charge of a violation of this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability to commit the threatened specified offense or that the threat was not made to a person who was a subject of the threatened specified offense.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of making a terroristic threat, a felony of the third degree. Section 2909.25 of the Revised Code applies regarding an offender who is convicted of or pleads guilty to a violation of this section.
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Intimidation? Perhaps. Reasonable expectation of fear? Definitely.
IANAL...
I realize the language of this Ohio law may not actually fit this situation, but really, we know who rightfully should catch a felony charge here. I would argue that this officer's words were intended to intimidate anyone "stupid enough" to carry a gun, not just this individual, i.e. the civilian population.
Aknazer
Regular Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
Here's the video of the incident so that you don't have to dig through the linked 19 page thread. Might also want to put it in th op of this topic so that people who don't read this whole thread end up missing it.
Here's the video of the incident so that you don't have to dig through the linked 19 page thread. Might also want to put it in th op of this topic so that people who don't read this whole thread end up missing it.
Mas49.56
Regular Member
This scumbag committed a felony and shot up my blood pressure. With behavior like that, I wonder how many innocent people he has framed or killed in the past.
DrkDestroyer
Regular Member
I watched the video and was physically ill after watching it. I sure hope that the state of Wisconsin uses this as a training video for law enforcement and what not to do once our carry law takes effect in November. I can only imagine the fear and confusion this guy felt.
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TFred
Regular Member
The YouTube copy is up to almost 350,000 views... that's pretty good for a 17 minute video.
TFred
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