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    A profound statement on the RKBA

    I thought I'd post the link from Washington Forum, where I originally posted the story. This guys comment really shows/proves how are right to defend ourselves is very natural.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...t-to-be-armed.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I also have had mostly positive conversations and interactions with non-US folks about guns. I do find that Asians seem to be the most scared of guns, those from the Indian sub-continent quite open minded, and those from Europe most curious ;-) And lately, the Aussies the most angry

    Several years ago when I went back to college and was in a major with a lot of non-US students there was quite a bit of interest from the men about guns and such. I was sort of casually upfront about the fact that not only had I shot a gun but that I actually owned guns. Some were not quite sure about how to react to that. Even though most were masters students, some were in the US for the first time and it was quite a culture shock for them to interact with Americans ... outspoken, opinionated, and much more assertive than themselves.

    There was one man that offered to walk me to my vehicle after class one night (after a publicized assault on campus) that I accepted and when I got to my vehicle, I showed him the pocket pistol I had been carrying. He said he wasn't surprised, but it was his duty to protect women based on his culture and he wanted to show me respect. We still remain close friends to this day and he has visited my home town with his family to introduce his wife and children to me. After the second visit, he emailed me to tell me that his wife is "no longer concerned about guns in America if most gun owners are like [me]"
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    Great story! I have found the immigrants in our part of the land very supportive of gun rights and OC. I frequent Asian restaurants and stores frequently and have had several express interest on how they can get something to help protect themselves and their property.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Hey Sudden, what does that tee shirt say in your avatar? DONT BIRK ME doesn't make sense to me so I must be missing something?
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    Some guy in washington (I think) was shot by the cops... he was deaf or something like that... hence the phrase "birking someone" was coined... sort of like "dont' taze me bro"... "don't birk me" or "don't shoot me in the back"


    Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    Hey Sudden, what does that tee shirt say in your avatar? DONT BIRK ME doesn't make sense to me so I must be missing something?
    Quote Originally Posted by HKcarrier View Post
    Some guy in washington (I think) was shot by the cops... he was deaf or something like that... hence the phrase "birking someone" was coined... sort of like "dont' taze me bro"... "don't birk me" or "don't shoot me in the back"


    Correct me if I'm wrong.
    You are correct officer Ian Birk murdered a well known Native Wood carver in Seattle. He had no RAS for a detention or arrest. The man he murdered made no threatening moves toward the officer. Yikes, scary to us OC'ers who open carry fully loaded pistols.

    I should wear my shirt again today.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Also, correct me if I"m wrong, ofc. birk was found to be improper in his shooting, but never faced any consequences.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    You are correct officer Ian Birk murdered a well known Native Wood carver in Seattle. He had no RAS for a detention or arrest. The man he murdered made no threatening moves toward the officer. Yikes, scary to us OC'ers who open carry fully loaded pistols.

    I should wear my shirt again today.
    Shooting was ruled unjustified and the taxpayers just forked over $1.5M in a settlement "before" a suit was filed. He got fired but is still walking the streets, of course, cops being above the law.

    http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...5M-settlement/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKcarrier View Post
    Also, correct me if I"m wrong, ofc. birk was found to be improper in his shooting, but never faced any consequences.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Shooting was ruled unjustified and the taxpayers just forked over $1.5M in a settlement "before" a suit was filed. He got fired but is still walking the streets, of course, cops being above the law.

    http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...5M-settlement/
    He was fired, the prosecutor like many do twisted the law to mean something it doesn't so as not to press charges, the family has looked into private prosecution. I haven't seen the agreement in the settlement whether that is out or not. I hope they do press criminal charges through private prosecution it is something I have been pushing for and would love to see brought back.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    He was fired, the prosecutor like many do twisted the law to mean something it doesn't so as not to press charges, the family has looked into private prosecution. I haven't seen the agreement in the settlement whether that is out or not. I hope they do press criminal charges through private prosecution it is something I have been pushing for and would love to see brought back.
    They have standing to prosecute him under 18 USC 242 which can carry the death penalty.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    They have standing to prosecute him under 18 USC 242 which can carry the death penalty.
    Private prosecution is making a subtle come back in some areas. One case made it to SCOTUS because the prosecutor didn't like the fact someone took over his job and did it better...... The private party won!

    I am following another case here in WA were some cops, decided to unnecessarily shoot a dog, and the owners are bringing charges against them because of course prosecutors don't prosecute cops. Seems that case in somewhat of a limbo. I have talked to the attorney in that case over the phone. Was actually able to give him info he needed because of my research into the subject.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Private prosecution is making a subtle come back in some areas. One case made it to SCOTUS because the prosecutor didn't like the fact someone took over his job and did it better...... The private party won!

    I am following another case here in WA were some cops, decided to unnecessarily shoot a dog, and the owners are bringing charges against them because of course prosecutors don't prosecute cops. Seems that case in somewhat of a limbo. I have talked to the attorney in that case over the phone. Was actually able to give him info he needed because of my research into the subject.
    Hope they nail the bastards.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Hope they nail the bastards.
    Me too. The audio of them, casually talking about killing someones pet. And then the callous way they did it to inflict the most suffering as possible. And we are supposed to just trust these guys and feel they have our best interests in mind.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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