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    Need some input

    So, i am looking into a handgun and have been looking at what they have in my area. Glocks, XDs, Taurus, 1911s, ect. I have narrowed it down due to price and how it fits my hands. Each one fits my hands and i like the both very much. The main difference is one is full sized and the other is more compact but i will be OCing the firearm. I have done my research for each weapon and both seem to be a great choice. too bad it is not buy one get one free.

    So here are my choices:

    Glock 22 (.40 cal) - Used police firearm very little shooting with 2 maybe 3 mags some holster wear for $425 out the door

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    this Taurus - They have a .40 and a 9mm model there. comes with two mags and i believe that the price out the door was a bit short of $400.

    So lets hear your thoughts about each firearm. I have about two weeks to come to a final decision.

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    I carry either a Ruger 9mm or a SA .45.

    If I were to choose either of the two weapons you are looking at, I would probably go with the Glock. My reasoning is that, lately, I have heard some not-so-good things about the quality of the later model Taurus pistols.

    I don't know if they've cleared up their quality problems, but I don't think Glock has ever had any. I could be wrong, but I don't remember hearing of any major problems.

    Some of you Glock and Taurus experts weigh in on this. I'd be interested in hearing from people who have first-hand experience as I may buy another pretty soon.

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    I have two Taurus handguns, Millennium Pro in .40S&W and a PT1911. I have fired hundreds of rounds through each one and have never had a problem. There are a lot of Taurus bashers out there, but I have found them to be completely reliable. I don't own a Glock and have never been interested in them so I won't comment on them.
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    You will be able to find a greater selection of holsters for the Glock than you will for the Taurus. I don't want either one of those, but that is just me.

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    If you're going for anything in those sizes, why not just step up to a proper fighting round and go w/ a .45?
    The recoil isnt as snappy, w/ proper ammo, they expand and penetrate more reliably in actual use, and a 1-3 round difference in capacity will be negated by not having to fire so many rounds to do the job anyway.

    Either pistol though will be a good choice, otherwise. Holsters are more difficult to locate for the Taurus's- but you can negate even that by making your own. Im making another holster for mine today, in fact. And forget all the intereweb bs some folks will throw at you the moment you mention Taurus. Most of it was based on much much earlier products than are currently available, and most of the problems folks complained of ended up being operator-headspace, and misuse anyway.
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    The link to the Taurus says that it is blued. I'd go with the Glock...that Tennifer finish would serve you better in terms of wear. Just my $0.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    If you're going for anything in those sizes, why not just step up to a proper fighting round and go w/ a .45?
    The recoil isnt as snappy, w/ proper ammo, they expand and penetrate more reliably in actual use, and a 1-3 round difference in capacity will be negated by not having to fire so many rounds to do the job anyway.

    Either pistol though will be a good choice, otherwise. Holsters are more difficult to locate for the Taurus's- but you can negate even that by making your own. Im making another holster for mine today, in fact. And forget all the intereweb bs some folks will throw at you the moment you mention Taurus. Most of it was based on much much earlier products than are currently available, and most of the problems folks complained of ended up being operator-headspace, and misuse anyway.
    I want a pistol i can afford to shoot a lot as well. Already have .45 covered. So im looking for a .40 or 9mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetworx View Post
    The link to the Taurus says that it is blued. I'd go with the Glock...that Tennifer finish would serve you better in terms of wear. Just my $0.02.
    The at the store is simliar to this one. I dont think its blued...it has the same finish and smooth feel as the glock they had there.

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    9mm ammo will cost less than .40cal so that's a plus for the 9. You will not have to spend so much $ to practice. Modern balistics makes the diff in performance between the 9 and .40 to be almost no existant. It's really up to you. Personally I'd be happy with a 9mm Glock in 9mm due to the number of holsters available and the low cost of ammo but .40 is nice too.
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    For 1 that has seen the difference between the 9mm and the 45cal. I have used both as a Leo. After seeing what the 9mm won’t do, that is why I carry a 45. I started out with a 9mm S&W Model 59 and ended up with a 45cal. Colt 1911.
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    Between the Glock and the Taurus.....

    I'd pick the S&W M&P, or even the SD9.

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    Thumbs down

    a bit more than im willing to spend on a pistol. Since i can get that glock @ $425. Thats my maximum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyOrangeJuice View Post
    a bit more than im willing to spend on a pistol. Since i can get that glock @ $425. Thats my maximum.
    I can get an SD9 from GalleryofGuns.com for $413.... out the door. Taxes, shipping to my dealer, transfer fees..... everything.

    If you were closer to VA I'd let you shoot mine to see if you liked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    I can get an SD9 from GalleryofGuns.com for $413.... out the door. Taxes, shipping to my dealer, transfer fees..... everything.

    If you were closer to VA I'd let you shoot mine to see if you liked it.
    oh wait. in WI but thanks anyway

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    I have a first Gen G22 I've carried it and shot it a.....lot.
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    I've never been a big fan of short-barreled handguns, such as the Taurus linked in the OP.

    Yes, its a 9mm, which is ordinarily adequate for most defensive needs. However, on ballistics charts, you'll notice that all the velocities and muzzle energies are taken using a five-inch barrel (for semi-autos) or a 4" barrel for revolvers.

    Shortening the barrel reduces the bullet's "acceleration lane", reducing velocity. Now you have to pay attention to whether your hollow-point will open up at the reduced velocity. Or, find a cartridge made for a short-barrelled gun, and hope that cartridge feeds in your semi-auto, etc.

    The spec's on the Taurus show it has a 3.5" barrel, which includes the chamber since we are talking about a semi-auto. Subtract 3/4" for the chamber and you really only have 2 3/4" inches for bullet acceleration before leaving the barrel. If your 9mm cartridge has test data of, say, 320 foot-pounds muzzle energy out of a four inch barrel (five inches minus chamber), with the Taurus I'm guessing you are reducing the muzzle energy into the vicinity of a .38 Special +P. Then, just to add insult to injury, you are launching that bullet from 27 oz gun. You don't even get the advantage of the extra weight in a revolver to soak up the recoil. I'm not saying this makes the gun unmanageable. I'm just pointing it out as an additional small but annoying disadvantage.

    Unless you really need the shorter barrel for discreet carry, I'd take the whichever gun has the longer barrel if everything else was equal.

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    Could buy a brand new rock island armory 1911 for $375. Just another option for you.

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    I own several Glocks and several Taurus handguns. My Taurus guns have been really reliable, but Glock makes one of the best sevice guns when it comes to reliability. My brother-in-law was a LEO in Alaska when his depart. switched from revolvers to semi's. They tortured every model they were looking at. Of all the guns, he said that only the Glock never jambed. Plus you have a higher chance of a flawed gun if you purchase the Taurus, but a used Glock could also have an issue as well, but police trade ins are usually well taken care of.

    Short answer...get the Glock 22. If you want a 9mm gun after you shoot the 40s&w you can always simply buy a 40-9 conversion barrel & 9mm mags and you now have a 9mm gun. I've been shooting 9mm ammo from my G 27 for three years now with no malfunctions. That's better than most owners can say about their OEM barrels & mags. Oops, that wasn't as short as I had planned...Sorry!!!!
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    from a reliability standpoint, it's tough to beat a glock. i don't own one, but have shot several (sometimes i think my uncle is sponsored by glock), and they seem to mow through any and all ammo

    something else to consider...the aftermarket for glock parts is unquestioned. if you're into doing any sorts of mods to your firearm, you will not find a shortage of them. it actually kinda ticks me off when i go to look for stuff for my M&P40c at my local gunstores...all they have are glock mags, glock holsters (some of which will work), glock this, glock that...

    for a $25 difference, i think this is an easy selection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang1952 View Post
    For 1 that has seen the difference between the 9mm and the 45cal. I have used both as a Leo. After seeing what the 9mm won’t do, that is why I carry a 45. I started out with a 9mm S&W Model 59 and ended up with a 45cal. Colt 1911.
    ^^^ this X 100,000,000,000,000.99

    There's a lot of well-documented reasons why the Military and all but 3 or 4 LE agencies in the U.S. are running as fast as they can from the 9mm. And some are even starting to realize the .40 was going from bad to worse in some cases. Everyone ends up coming full-circle back to the old .45.

    As for ammo costs- where on earth are you folks purchasing your ammo from, that 9mm costs much more than $2 or $3 bucks different from .45 ? If even that much? Most stores I've been in-from mom-n-pop local gun shops to Gander to Dicks to Academy- there's almost zero difference in price from .40-9mm-.45-10mm all the way up to .50AE on the shelves. Some spikes for .41 Mag/.44 mag and .454 maybe but,...

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    ^^^ this X 100,000,000,000,000.99

    There's a lot of well-documented reasons why the Military and all but 3 or 4 LE agencies in the U.S. are running as fast as they can from the 9mm. And some are even starting to realize the .40 was going from bad to worse in some cases. Everyone ends up coming full-circle back to the old .45.

    As for ammo costs- where on earth are you folks purchasing your ammo from, that 9mm costs much more than $2 or $3 bucks different from .45 ? If even that much? Most stores I've been in-from mom-n-pop local gun shops to Gander to Dicks to Academy- there's almost zero difference in price from .40-9mm-.45-10mm all the way up to .50AE on the shelves. Some spikes for .41 Mag/.44 mag and .454 maybe but,...
    Just using one of your examples (Gander Mountain), we can see that there is a significant price difference between 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 Auto. Look here and here. I'm not sure where you're buying your ammo, but it's not at the level that you claim it is.

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    i like my xd sub compact in 40 cal....if u get the"essentials"package which leaves out the cheap holster,mag holders, and loader...you can get an xd in 9 or 40 for around 420.oo brand new..

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    i am a firm believer that the bestbuy for the money would be a ruger p95....they go for less then 300.

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    Glock is still at the top of my list so far but i do like the other options that have been brought to my like the SD9 and the ruger p95. $300 would be my ideal price range although i know you get what you pay for. Thanks for all the input so far.

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