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    Glock .40s not working properly

    It's either broke or a "feature". In either case, be aware and beware.

    http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2011...ble-glock.html

    It's either the ejector (not likely) or the extractor (possibly) setting off the primer when you are not expecting that to happen.

    Seems to be related to something being where it's not supposed to be. (well, Duh!)

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    I think it's pretty much near impossible that it is going to be the extractor, but one thing I didn't see (didn't read too close) is which generation Glock to which this problem refers. I have five Gen3 Glocks and I seriously doubt anything like this is going to occur with either the extractor of the ejector on the Gen3's. Not outside of the realm of remote possibility but extremely remote for certain. The design of the Glocks I own is such that the extractor would have to break and then get trapped between the striker and the primer to discharge a round. And the ejector does not come into contact with a fresh round either as it moves out of the magazine or when it enters the firing chamber.

    Can't speak for Gen4's and I do understand they have had a few wrinkles.
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    IF we are in fact seeing a disproportionate number of ADs from the .40 caliber Glocks, I would venture to say these are MUCH more likely to be OE-related NDs than actual design-problem related ADs...

    The .40 caliber Glock is, after all the preferred weapon of the DEA, BATFE, gang-bangers, and wannabees.

    Let us all remember the firearms-handling prowess of DEA Agent Lee Paige...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjYlpex4OM

    And of course there was the fiasco in 1988 When the Washington DC MPD switched to Glocks:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...lice4page2.htm


    and BOTH of these incidents were 100% the product of bad training, bad safety practices, and breaking at least two of the "4 Rules"...

    I don't buy the premise that .40 caliber Glocks are any more dangerous or their design is any more subject to failure or AD than any other Glock, because they are ALL the exact same design.

    My guess is that if there ARE more ADs with .40 cal Glocks, it is most likely nothing more than a case of a widespread epidemic of "ID-10-T errors"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post

    Let us all remember the firearms-handling prowess of DEA Agent Lee Paige...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjYlpex4OM
    That video never gets old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    IF we are in fact seeing a disproportionate number of ADs from the .40 caliber Glocks, I would venture to say these are MUCH more likely to be OE-related NDs than actual design-problem related ADs...

    The .40 caliber Glock is, after all the preferred weapon of the DEA, BATFE, gang-bangers, and wannabees.

    Let us all remember the firearms-handling prowess of DEA Agent Lee Paige...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjYlpex4OM

    And of course there was the fiasco in 1988 When the Washington DC MPD switched to Glocks:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...lice4page2.htm


    and BOTH of these incidents were 100% the product of bad training, bad safety practices, and breaking at least two of the "4 Rules"...

    I don't buy the premise that .40 caliber Glocks are any more dangerous or their design is any more subject to failure or AD than any other Glock, because they are ALL the exact same design.

    My guess is that if there ARE more ADs with .40 cal Glocks, it is most likely nothing more than a case of a widespread epidemic of "ID-10-T errors"...
    "gang-bangers, and wannabees", eh? Guess I better sell all three of my .40S&W Glocks then.

    "because they are ALL the exact same design". Not quite as far as the Gen3 Glocks are concerned. There is a difference in the design of the ejector between the 9mm and the .40S&W Glocks. But this is a deliberate design feature and has worked quite well in these guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    IF we are in fact seeing a disproportionate number of ADs from the .40 caliber Glocks, I would venture to say these are MUCH more likely to be OE-related NDs than actual design-problem related ADs...

    The .40 caliber Glock is, after all the preferred weapon of the DEA, BATFE, gang-bangers, and wannabees.

    Let us all remember the firearms-handling prowess of DEA Agent Lee Paige...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjYlpex4OM

    And of course there was the fiasco in 1988 When the Washington DC MPD switched to Glocks:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...lice4page2.htm


    and BOTH of these incidents were 100% the product of bad training, bad safety practices, and breaking at least two of the "4 Rules"...

    I don't buy the premise that .40 caliber Glocks are any more dangerous or their design is any more subject to failure or AD than any other Glock, because they are ALL the exact same design.

    My guess is that if there ARE more ADs with .40 cal Glocks, it is most likely nothing more than a case of a widespread epidemic of "ID-10-T errors"...
    "gang-bangers, and wannabees", eh? Guess I better sell all three of my .40S&W Glocks then.

    "because they are ALL the exact same design". Not quite as far as the Gen3 Glocks are concerned. There is a difference in the design of the ejector between the 9mm and the .40S&W Glocks. But this is a deliberate design feature and has worked quite well in these guns. Were there problems with this design, you can bet Glock would have addressed this early on and those problems would have been things of the past.
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    I've had a Gen1 G22 for over 20 years. Never a problem.
    And I have run a lot of Hard Cast Reloads threw it to.
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    simple. this happened exactly to my 3rd gen 19.

    AFTER i put a cheap chinese made IMMITATION!. ghost 2.5lb trigger set in it.

    a glock is partially cocked at all times when carrying +1

    the CHINESE make horrible products lol

    when the trigger set "crap" cannot fully hold the weight of a partially cocked striker.........it goes boom.

    do not blame glock i own multiples of each model. glock is not the issue.

    find out who owns this gun and tell them to buy a better trigger system.


    #2 glock has a striker disconnect. odds are the orgininal owner pulled his pin to clean it. and re-assembled it wrong. it is 100% IMPOSSIBLE for a extractor or ejector to strike the firing pin.........unless the ejector is almost clean bent over.......but then again a round would not feed.
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    22 40 cal Glocks and getting more and have never had this issue......... This is why you dont modify your firearms with cheap crap....

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    Quote Originally Posted by carry for myself View Post
    simple. this happened exactly to my 3rd gen 19.

    AFTER i put a cheap chinese made IMMITATION!. ghost 2.5lb trigger set in it.

    a glock is partially cocked at all times when carrying +1

    the CHINESE make horrible products lol

    when the trigger set "crap" cannot fully hold the weight of a partially cocked striker.........it goes boom.

    do not blame glock i own multiples of each model. glock is not the issue.

    find out who owns this gun and tell them to buy a better trigger system.


    #2 glock has a striker disconnect. odds are the orgininal owner pulled his pin to clean it. and re-assembled it wrong. it is 100% IMPOSSIBLE for a extractor or ejector to strike the firing pin.........unless the ejector is almost clean bent over.......but then again a round would not feed.
    A 2.5 trigger?? Don't you mean a 3.5 connector? Also this is a bit off;

    "a glock is partially cocked at all times when carrying +1"

    When a Glock as been put in battery, the striker is at half cock regardless of how many rounds are in the magazine or if one is in the chamber... or even if the gun is empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carry for myself View Post
    simple. this happened exactly to my 3rd gen 19.
    when the trigger set "crap" cannot fully hold the weight of a partially cocked striker.........it goes boom.

    do not blame glock i own multiples of each model. glock is not the issue.

    find out who owns this gun and tell them to buy a better trigger system.
    Hmmm. That should be pretty impossible for two reasons: 1) a half-cocked striker should not have enough momentum to set off a primer 2) Glocks like virtually all modern pistols have a firing pin block, which automatically disengages as the trigger is pulled. Even with a malfunctioning trigger set, it is pretty unlikely for a Glock to have this sort of problem.

    Considering the *billions of rounds* fired through Glocks, and similar designs (i.e. copies), I am inclined to believe there is not a design problem.

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    40 caliber with problems.... I have read, at least regarding gen. 4s, that the 9MM had reported issues. The glock 22, like them or not, is probably the best selling particular model handgun in the country. If there is any problems, Glock is very reputable regarding correcting whatever problems arise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO-Joe View Post
    Hmmm. That should be pretty impossible for two reasons: 1) a half-cocked striker should not have enough momentum to set off a primer 2) Glocks like virtually all modern pistols have a firing pin block, which automatically disengages as the trigger is pulled. Even with a malfunctioning trigger set, it is pretty unlikely for a Glock to have this sort of problem.

    Considering the *billions of rounds* fired through Glocks, and similar designs (i.e. copies), I am inclined to believe there is not a design problem.
    I don't remember where I read the article, but there were tests performed on both the Glocks and the XD/XDms and it was shown that a "half-cocked" striker still had enough force to nearly always set off a primer. So if the firing pin block were to somehow fail (such as someone taking it apart and not properly reassembling it) a half-cocked gun would be able to fire.

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