PDinDetroit
Regular Member
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/20/us-crime-identification-iris-idUSTRE76J4A120110720
If you can refuse to provide ID, can you refuse to be scanned as well?
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Law enforcement to begin iPhone iris scans amid privacy concerns
- Thread starter PDinDetroit
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/20/us-crime-identification-iris-idUSTRE76J4A120110720
If you can refuse to provide ID, can you refuse to be scanned as well?
VW_Factor
Regular Member
Iris scanner?
This is face recognition software by the sounds of the article.
At any rate, I wouldn't get caught up in the CSI effect too much. I highly doubt an iPhone has the processing capability to effectively do what they are asking it do.
This is face recognition software by the sounds of the article.
At any rate, I wouldn't get caught up in the CSI effect too much. I highly doubt an iPhone has the processing capability to effectively do what they are asking it do.
eye95
Well-known member
I don't care if they use this stuff in the same circumstances where the courts have already ruled that they may take fingerprints. Any other time would be a violation of privacy. However, if the police try to use it at some other time, the courts should slap them down.
Absent some custodial setting where the documentation of identity is "standard" practice, this smacks of a search.
Better bring a warrant with that smart-phone, copper!
Yes, I know that CCTV can be used without a warrant, and tat they are good enough to get iris scans without my being held or otherwise delayed. But using a smart phone sounds like I would need to "smile for the birdie" - and I'm not gonna unless they have filled out the necessary forms, dotting the "Ts" and crossing the "Is" as required by law.
stay safe.
Better bring a warrant with that smart-phone, copper!
Yes, I know that CCTV can be used without a warrant, and tat they are good enough to get iris scans without my being held or otherwise delayed. But using a smart phone sounds like I would need to "smile for the birdie" - and I'm not gonna unless they have filled out the necessary forms, dotting the "Ts" and crossing the "Is" as required by law.
stay safe.
thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Is that how you do it? Man, I've been writing wrong all these years...
As for the OP, I also think scanning people without their permission would constitute a search. This technology also sounds like it would be expensive to implement. What's wrong with a good old driver's license?
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carracer
Regular Member
Hmmm... How similar is this to forcibly taking blood at a dui stop?
carry for myself
Regular Member
well if ya dont like finger prints. its a medically proven fact if you burn them off with 3rd degree burns, they will NOT grow back the same........................however.......i dont think anyone wants to burn off their face. even though it would really hamper the use of a facial recognition scanner lol
lol
Dreamer
Regular Member
The iPhone app that does facial recognition is publicly available.
Anyone with a Facebook page, or other social media account who has their photo on it will be a potential data entry in this facial recognition database...
And for those who are not on social media, the software allows you to take a picture, and then MANUALLY make an entry for them with name, adress, occupation, etc...
Think, for a minute, folks, what this means for us--think POSITIVE...
What this means is we can use this like we use video- and audio-recording devices. We can start creating a national face-scan database of "bad cops"...
Y'all need to think outside the box--technology is neither good nor evil in and of itself--it's how you USE it that makes it so.
We can use this to our TREMENDOUS advantage...
Anyone with a Facebook page, or other social media account who has their photo on it will be a potential data entry in this facial recognition database...
And for those who are not on social media, the software allows you to take a picture, and then MANUALLY make an entry for them with name, adress, occupation, etc...
Think, for a minute, folks, what this means for us--think POSITIVE...
What this means is we can use this like we use video- and audio-recording devices. We can start creating a national face-scan database of "bad cops"...
Y'all need to think outside the box--technology is neither good nor evil in and of itself--it's how you USE it that makes it so.
We can use this to our TREMENDOUS advantage...
thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Good point Dreamer. I didn't think about it in that way and I bet they didn't either.
Dreamer
Regular Member
Their greatest "power" is also their greatest weakness.
The People cannot defeat monolithic power with brute force. We can't think like "ultimate fighters", you have to think like an Aikido master--use their power against them. We don't need to throw a single punch--just gracefully and craftily redirect their motions, and they will eventually throw themselves onto the ground...
Thus endeth the lesson...
Dreamer
Regular Member
I DO believe "they" have thought of this, and here is why...
There has been a concerted effort in LEAs nationwide to convince the people over the last year or two--through harassment, intimidation, brutality, and illegal arrest--that photographing LEOs is somehow illegal, or a threat to LE safety.
This technology has taken about 2 years to develop and perfect.
They knew all along this tech was coming out (at the top), and the orders have been given that LEOs were to behave in this way against photography.
2+2=4.
This isn't rocket science folks...
There has been a concerted effort in LEAs nationwide to convince the people over the last year or two--through harassment, intimidation, brutality, and illegal arrest--that photographing LEOs is somehow illegal, or a threat to LE safety.
This technology has taken about 2 years to develop and perfect.
They knew all along this tech was coming out (at the top), and the orders have been given that LEOs were to behave in this way against photography.
2+2=4.
This isn't rocket science folks...
TFred
Regular Member
No need for the iPhone to do any of the processing, all it has to do is pass the scan off to a central database and a system which could have all kinds of horsepower.
Sort of like Brady Cops...
TFred