Yes Ferndale has a record of doing this with PP
i have a buddy who applied for a PTP in ferndale a couple months ago. they jerked him around for a couple weeks telling him to come back because it wasn't ready yet. they finally told him the detective had it and he would give my buddy a call when it was ready. finally, he got a letter from detective Lt. wilson stating that his purchase permit was being denied because they had reason to believe he'd be a danger to himself or others or commit a criminal offense. however, they did not cite the specific probable cause for denial. he went ahead and applied for the CPL which was approved in less than a month, no issues at all. what gives? does ferndale just like trampling rights? anyone from that area have any stories?
i told my buddy to have fun when he goes in to drop off his RI-60... maybe drop it off with a copy of his denial letter
Last edited by smellslikemichigan; 07-20-2011 at 03:03 PM.
Yes Ferndale has a record of doing this with PP
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Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
i told him he should go in and ask them to specifically cite the PC for denial, but he said he didn't want to kick the hive until after he had his CPL in hand. understandable.
Well, the big difference is, his CPL is issued by the county gun board. So far as I know, local CLEOs don't sit on the gun board, only the sheriff and state police, along with usually, the county prosecutor, some "other" citizen, and I think, maybe the county clerk.
The PtP, on the other hand is issued by the local PD, or the county sheriff if you live outside city limits. I wish I could be there when he takes in the RI-60 form.
i understand the difference between the issuing bodies, what i don't understand is how ferndale could do a background check and find probable cause and the county did the same background check, if not MORE thorough and didn't find probable cause?
yes, they are no doubt a more professional organization who follows the law instead of bending it to suit a personal agenda
How much you want to bet the City did not even do a BI?
You need a permit to purchase a handgun in Michigan? Is that what this is about?
In any event, sounds like typical bull feces to me. I find it odd it took that long for them to notify him. When ever I'd go to get a PtP, (before I got my CPL) the local police or sheriff's office would do the background check right then, and I'd know if there was a problem in about 2 minutes or less.
oh, in that case i mean probably cause
because he definitely didn't have probable cause.
maybe he had maybe or possible cause.
Sounds like a great reason to get the P2P law repealed. I think a good pro-gun rep could make a convincing case in the legislature that the PD's are denying people their rights to purchase handguns, when clearly a more thorough background check done by the county gun board didn't turn up any issues.
Rand Paul 2016
what incident was possibly on his record to give them cause to deny??? had to be something. nothing on his record would be impossible for them to defend in court. nothing against your friend but i'm the only one i read that wonders what he could have lurking in his past.
I can tell from your posts kryptonian you were an honest cop. Now put on the "what if I wasn't hat / how could I mess with this guy hat" & you can see where the "FUN" can begin for a citizen who has done nothing wrong other than to be deemed unworthy by a corrupt officer(s). Thankfully most PD's are above this kind of pettiness but there are a few around that are not. I think we may have identified another one of them here.
I smell a FERNDALE OC PICNIC event brewing
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This is what I have been told by a few PD in this regard. They have a lot of power in this regard. A person can have a clean BG check and be denied. You see they have their own data base that is double super secret. So if a resident is a gadfly and complains about things, in particular about the PD they get denied. If the resident has had run-ins with the PD with no arrest, etc.. they get denied. For example one denied a resident because the resident's mom didn't want her son to have a gun. They will use any excuse they want.
There is no legal criteria for denials, it's all discretionary. The only recourse is to hire an attorney and challenge them, and most people can't afford that. I would recommend a state rep be contacted and let them pressure the local PD. That is, if the state rep is pro-gun.
We need to abolish local control of purchase permits, there is too much abuse.
Last edited by Venator; 07-23-2011 at 04:40 PM.
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