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    One day in CHP class...

    The instructor said, well, when you get you CHP permit, you are not allowed to OC. I piped up and said, "That's not correct." I proceeded to impart the knowledge I learned here and gave out the web address of open carry and specifically the NC forum.

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    Way to set him straight!!! Did he agree with you after you explained it?
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    i tried the same thin with my permit instructor. he battled me for 25 mintues. im my OWN living room. turns out he is a former cop. and didnt know his stuff haha
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    Good on you....

    Carry on the fine job you aleady have started in teaching the teachers...

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    My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.
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    My driving instructor said I wasn't allowed to walk or ride a bicycle anymore after I got my automobile driving license. (sigh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry24/7 View Post
    My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.
    GATTTOP? I'm pretty good with acronyms but I don't know this one....
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    GATTTOP - going armed to the terror of the public

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    Quote Originally Posted by jprime84 View Post
    GATTTOP - going armed to the terror of the public
    Got it now. Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderjohn View Post
    The instructor said, well, when you get you CHP permit, you are not allowed to OC. I piped up and said, "That's not correct." I proceeded to impart the knowledge I learned here and gave out the web address of open carry and specifically the NC forum.

    This is one of the main reasons why I don't like "mandatory training" in order to get a carry permit. Most of the folks taking the class are new to the gun "field", and as such anything the instructor says will be taken as gospel by the students (in most cases) because "he's the instructor he must be an expert." Not knocking instructors, it's just the dynamics of the classroom setting.


    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Got it now. Thanks!!!
    It's a NC thing that the LEO made up to scare people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    It's a NC thing that the LEO made up to scare people.
    Well, it a real common law charge. But it's nearly always used as an add on charge to someone who was already breaking the law. And we have NCSC case law saying OC is not GATTTOTP, State v Huntley. So it's real, but it's mostly overblown.


    To the OP, good job.

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    So after taking the teacher to school, did you get thrown out of flunked?
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    there was a CHP instructor on a local (greenville, nc area) FM station about 3 weeks ago while he did say, when asked directly, that OC was legal he implied that in the 30sec - 2min it takes you to hide your pistol when leaving it in the car that you are in violation of the law and risk arrest.

    he also stated that with the CHP that you could carry a taser concealed
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    Quote Originally Posted by edrolee View Post
    there was a CHP instructor on a local (greenville, nc area) FM station about 3 weeks ago while he did say, when asked directly, that OC was legal he implied that in the 30sec - 2min it takes you to hide your pistol when leaving it in the car that you are in violation of the law and risk arrest.

    he also stated that with the CHP that you could carry a taser concealed
    What station was this on? Any idea who the guy is? He's wrong about the taser. In NC, the permit only covers handguns (hence the name Concealed Handgun Permit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    What station was this on? Any idea who the guy is? He's wrong about the taser. In NC, the permit only covers handguns (hence the name Concealed Handgun Permit).

    103.7 the 5pm show don't recall the name of the guy
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    It is truly amazing and embarrasing how many instructors give their opinion over fact or law.

    I was already a member here when I got my CHP, and my instructor stated "OC is legal, and you can do it if you choose. However, you will get hassled because you are scaring people. You will get arrested at some point for going armed to the terror of the public. And you will be the first one to die if the sh&% hits the fan because you are drawing that kind of attention to yourself going around acting like billy bad a$$".

    So what he said was legally correct (you could get charged with gatttotp, and OC is legal) but full of his opinion.

    My instructor was Kenny at Calibers indoor range. Because of his attitude, I will never spend another dollar of my money there. When I came in to sign up for the class and to qualify, he told me I needed to wait to strap that holster on until I was on the range. He then broke into a speech about how it was safer to put my gun on the shooting bench pointing down range than in my holster between firings. All while every single employee was OC behind the counter......

    Sorry, just venting on the bad experience.

    Good for you OP for correcting your instructor. I find that many in the CHP courses do take what their instructor says as fact and do not look for more info.

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    seems to me there are a bunch of bad/stupid instructors out there..... I took my CHP class a few weeks after I came home from the military. I was a weapons specialist and a damn good one. I knew guns and was a dead aim, but knew nothing of the laws pertaining to carrying. So I took the words of my instructor like they were gospel. I'm just glad I'm not in jail right now, because I probably should be.


    He told us that you cant CC at bars. as long as you didnt sit near the bars in restaurants you were fine. but say you were having dinner with some friends at Chili's and you were CC'ing, your friends order a beer with dinner and you want one too? just unholster and put your gun on the table! now its OC'ed and you can drink a beer. It wasnt until i started reading the laws for myself, then finding this forum, that I saw the error of my ways and turned to the light

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    Not knowing better, several years ago I asked my instructor if it was legal to carry during a declared state of emergency. He replied with "Of course you can, that's when you might need it the most." A common-sense answer, but I later learned he was wrong. Looking back, it has made me question other things I was told.
    He is also a Pitt Sheriff's Deputy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resto Guy View Post
    Not knowing better, several years ago I asked my instructor if it was legal to carry during a declared state of emergency. He replied with "Of course you can, that's when you might need it the most." A common-sense answer, but I later learned he was wrong. Looking back, it has made me question other things I was told.
    He is also a Pitt Sheriff's Deputy.
    I won't mention a name, but I took a NRA basic pistol class in Pitt Co. in order to obtain my Florida CWP. The guy was nice and very knowledgeable, but he released the slide on my 1911 a few times with no magazine in the gun by using the slide lock. It kind of irritated me because doing that can potentially damage the extractor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry24/7 View Post
    My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.
    because he makes money at from it?

    i was on NCGO a couple of days ago. and some guy was given SULTAN62 a hard time because SULTAN asked for a cite on a NC law and would not trust the opinion in the "red book" ( the NC CCH training book) the guy acted like the "red book " was the wholly bible. i find the book to be full of opinions not backed up by cites
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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    There's an OC flyer on here that explains the GATTOTP as well as a few opinions of the court. Simply carrying a pistol in a holster in a peaceable manner is not GATTOTP.

    Of course the instructor doesn't want you to know that. He has a vested interest in making sure you tell all your OC'ing friends they're gonna get locked up for life if they don't take his course and get a CHP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocgso View Post
    It is truly amazing and embarrasing how many instructors give their opinion over fact or law.

    I was already a member here when I got my CHP, and my instructor stated "OC is legal, and you can do it if you choose. However, you will get hassled because you are scaring people. You will get arrested at some point for going armed to the terror of the public. And you will be the first one to die if the sh&% hits the fan because you are drawing that kind of attention to yourself going around acting like billy bad a$$".

    So what he said was legally correct (you could get charged with gatttotp, and OC is legal) but full of his opinion.

    My instructor was Kenny at Calibers indoor range. Because of his attitude, I will never spend another dollar of my money there. When I came in to sign up for the class and to qualify, he told me I needed to wait to strap that holster on until I was on the range. He then broke into a speech about how it was safer to put my gun on the shooting bench pointing down range than in my holster between firings. All while every single employee was OC behind the counter......

    Sorry, just venting on the bad experience.

    Good for you OP for correcting your instructor. I find that many in the CHP courses do take what their instructor says as fact and do not look for more info.
    When you go to a range, you follow their rules whether they are good or not.

    So don't go.

    You are correct about the poor class instruction.

    I took mine at the same outfit.

    One of the students asked about how to legally transfer or sell a hand gun to another. The instructor's answer was "Be careful and know who you are selling it to." And then warned about the penalties for selling to a felon.

    Well, that is not what NC laws says. "North Carolina General Statute § 14-402 does
    not make any exception for the receipt or purchase of a
    handgun from a private individual as opposed to a
    firearms dealer. Therefore, a pistol purchase or North
    Carolina concealed carry permit is necessary before the
    transfer of any handgun can take place"

    The above is a copy of the relevant part of:

    NORTH CAROLINA FIREARMS LAWS
    This publication is only represented to be current as of the revision date on this cover page. Material in this
    publication may have been altered, added, or deleted since the revision date. Information contained in this
    publication should not be relied upon as legal advise in a particular scenario. This information is designed
    as a reference guide only.
    ROY COOPER
    ATTORNEY GENERAL
    JOHN J. ALDRIDGE, III
    SPECIAL DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL

    Another student asked if a cop could concealed carry while off duty. The reply was not unless he took the same CCW course and passed it.

    The correct answer according to the above quoted document is:

    B.
    Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004
    Current, out-of-state sworn law enforcement officers may carry concealed handguns
    in certain areas of North Carolina, if the officer meets all the criteria set forth under the
    federal law known as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (18 U.S.C.
    926B). A qualified officer would be one who is an employee of a governmental agency;
    is authorized by law to enforce criminal laws with the statutory powers of arrest; is
    authorized to carry firearms by their agency; regularly qualifies with their firearm; is not
    under the influence of alcohol or drugs; and is not prohibited by federal law from
    receiving a firearm. The officer must carry valid photographic identification as an
    officer. While carrying in North Carolina, the out-of-state officer may not carry in
    either public or private areas where the possession of firearms is prohibited.
    Also, pursuant to the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (18 U.S.C.
    926B), certain qualified retired officers may be eligible to carry concealed handguns in
    North Carolina. A qualified retired officer is one who retired in good standing from a
    public agency as a law enforcement officer; had statutory powers of arrest; had an
    aggregate of fifteen (15) years or more service (unless retired due to a service-connected
    disability); qualified annually with their handgun; is not under the influence of alcohol
    or drugs; and is not prohibited by federal law from receiving a firearm. While carrying
    in North Carolina, the qualified retired officer may not carry in either public or private
    areas where the possession of firearms is prohibited. A person meeting the definition of
    a qualified retired law enforcement officer may carry a concealed handgun in North
    Carolina, if they are carrying photographic credentials identifying them as a retired
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    qualified law enforcement officer, and the person has qualified with their handgun
    annually, either with the agency from which they retired, or as certified by the North
    Carolina Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission (the
    Commission). To gain such qualification from the Commission, the qualified retired
    officer must make application to the Commission by submitting a verification of
    firearms qualification, conducted by a firearms instructor who is certified by the
    Commission as a Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor. The qualified retired officer
    must also submit a copy of their photographic identification showing their retired status,
    and other information required by the Commission. A person making any intentional
    misrepresentation on this form is guilty of a Class 2 Misdemeanor and may have their
    firearms qualification revoked. This status does not exempt the person from any other
    registration or training requirements necessary in the private protective services
    profession. Forms for this process may be obtained from the Criminal Justice
    Commission. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-415.26

    There were other blatant errors, but the above suffices to point out that it is important for persons taking the CCW course to study and know the laws in their state.

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