Way to set him straight!!! Did he agree with you after you explained it?
Thread: One day in CHP class...
The instructor said, well, when you get you CHP permit, you are not allowed to OC. I piped up and said, "That's not correct." I proceeded to impart the knowledge I learned here and gave out the web address of open carry and specifically the NC forum.
Way to set him straight!!! Did he agree with you after you explained it?
"When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."
i tried the same thin with my permit instructor. he battled me for 25 mintues. im my OWN living room. turns out he is a former cop. and didnt know his stuff haha
i would rather run out of blood, breath and life. and die fighting. than run out of ammo , and die with my pants down -Tom Scantas
Good on you....
Carry on the fine job you aleady have started in teaching the teachers...
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My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.
Walk softly and carry a large caliber.
My driving instructor said I wasn't allowed to walk or ride a bicycle anymore after I got my automobile driving license. (sigh)
GATTTOP - going armed to the terror of the public
This is one of the main reasons why I don't like "mandatory training" in order to get a carry permit. Most of the folks taking the class are new to the gun "field", and as such anything the instructor says will be taken as gospel by the students (in most cases) because "he's the instructor he must be an expert." Not knocking instructors, it's just the dynamics of the classroom setting.
So after taking the teacher to school, did you get thrown out of flunked?
"Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18
Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
there was a CHP instructor on a local (greenville, nc area) FM station about 3 weeks ago while he did say, when asked directly, that OC was legal he implied that in the 30sec - 2min it takes you to hide your pistol when leaving it in the car that you are in violation of the law and risk arrest.
he also stated that with the CHP that you could carry a taser concealed
It is truly amazing and embarrasing how many instructors give their opinion over fact or law.
I was already a member here when I got my CHP, and my instructor stated "OC is legal, and you can do it if you choose. However, you will get hassled because you are scaring people. You will get arrested at some point for going armed to the terror of the public. And you will be the first one to die if the sh&% hits the fan because you are drawing that kind of attention to yourself going around acting like billy bad a$$".
So what he said was legally correct (you could get charged with gatttotp, and OC is legal) but full of his opinion.
My instructor was Kenny at Calibers indoor range. Because of his attitude, I will never spend another dollar of my money there. When I came in to sign up for the class and to qualify, he told me I needed to wait to strap that holster on until I was on the range. He then broke into a speech about how it was safer to put my gun on the shooting bench pointing down range than in my holster between firings. All while every single employee was OC behind the counter......
Sorry, just venting on the bad experience.
Good for you OP for correcting your instructor. I find that many in the CHP courses do take what their instructor says as fact and do not look for more info.
seems to me there are a bunch of bad/stupid instructors out there..... I took my CHP class a few weeks after I came home from the military. I was a weapons specialist and a damn good one. I knew guns and was a dead aim, but knew nothing of the laws pertaining to carrying. So I took the words of my instructor like they were gospel. I'm just glad I'm not in jail right now, because I probably should be.
He told us that you cant CC at bars. as long as you didnt sit near the bars in restaurants you were fine. but say you were having dinner with some friends at Chili's and you were CC'ing, your friends order a beer with dinner and you want one too? just unholster and put your gun on the table! now its OC'ed and you can drink a beer. It wasnt until i started reading the laws for myself, then finding this forum, that I saw the error of my ways and turned to the light
Not knowing better, several years ago I asked my instructor if it was legal to carry during a declared state of emergency. He replied with "Of course you can, that's when you might need it the most." A common-sense answer, but I later learned he was wrong. Looking back, it has made me question other things I was told.
He is also a Pitt Sheriff's Deputy.
i was on NCGO a couple of days ago. and some guy was given SULTAN62 a hard time because SULTAN asked for a cite on a NC law and would not trust the opinion in the "red book" ( the NC CCH training book) the guy acted like the "red book " was the wholly bible. i find the book to be full of opinions not backed up by cites
Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
"guns are like a Parachute, if you don't have one when you need it, you will not need one again"
i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.
There's an OC flyer on here that explains the GATTOTP as well as a few opinions of the court. Simply carrying a pistol in a holster in a peaceable manner is not GATTOTP.
Of course the instructor doesn't want you to know that. He has a vested interest in making sure you tell all your OC'ing friends they're gonna get locked up for life if they don't take his course and get a CHP.
So don't go.
You are correct about the poor class instruction.
I took mine at the same outfit.
One of the students asked about how to legally transfer or sell a hand gun to another. The instructor's answer was "Be careful and know who you are selling it to." And then warned about the penalties for selling to a felon.
Well, that is not what NC laws says. "North Carolina General Statute § 14-402 does
not make any exception for the receipt or purchase of a
handgun from a private individual as opposed to a
firearms dealer. Therefore, a pistol purchase or North
Carolina concealed carry permit is necessary before the
transfer of any handgun can take place"
The above is a copy of the relevant part of:
NORTH CAROLINA FIREARMS LAWS
This publication is only represented to be current as of the revision date on this cover page. Material in this
publication may have been altered, added, or deleted since the revision date. Information contained in this
publication should not be relied upon as legal advise in a particular scenario. This information is designed
as a reference guide only.
JOHN J. ALDRIDGE, III
SPECIAL DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL
Another student asked if a cop could concealed carry while off duty. The reply was not unless he took the same CCW course and passed it.
The correct answer according to the above quoted document is:
Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004
Current, out-of-state sworn law enforcement officers may carry concealed handguns
in certain areas of North Carolina, if the officer meets all the criteria set forth under the
federal law known as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (18 U.S.C.
926B). A qualified officer would be one who is an employee of a governmental agency;
is authorized by law to enforce criminal laws with the statutory powers of arrest; is
authorized to carry firearms by their agency; regularly qualifies with their firearm; is not
under the influence of alcohol or drugs; and is not prohibited by federal law from
receiving a firearm. The officer must carry valid photographic identification as an
officer. While carrying in North Carolina, the out-of-state officer may not carry in
either public or private areas where the possession of firearms is prohibited.
Also, pursuant to the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (18 U.S.C.
926B), certain qualified retired officers may be eligible to carry concealed handguns in
North Carolina. A qualified retired officer is one who retired in good standing from a
public agency as a law enforcement officer; had statutory powers of arrest; had an
aggregate of fifteen (15) years or more service (unless retired due to a service-connected
disability); qualified annually with their handgun; is not under the influence of alcohol
or drugs; and is not prohibited by federal law from receiving a firearm. While carrying
in North Carolina, the qualified retired officer may not carry in either public or private
areas where the possession of firearms is prohibited. A person meeting the definition of
a qualified retired law enforcement officer may carry a concealed handgun in North
Carolina, if they are carrying photographic credentials identifying them as a retired
qualified law enforcement officer, and the person has qualified with their handgun
annually, either with the agency from which they retired, or as certified by the North
Carolina Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission (the
Commission). To gain such qualification from the Commission, the qualified retired
officer must make application to the Commission by submitting a verification of
firearms qualification, conducted by a firearms instructor who is certified by the
Commission as a Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor. The qualified retired officer
must also submit a copy of their photographic identification showing their retired status,
and other information required by the Commission. A person making any intentional
misrepresentation on this form is guilty of a Class 2 Misdemeanor and may have their
firearms qualification revoked. This status does not exempt the person from any other
registration or training requirements necessary in the private protective services
profession. Forms for this process may be obtained from the Criminal Justice
Commission. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-415.26
There were other blatant errors, but the above suffices to point out that it is important for persons taking the CCW course to study and know the laws in their state.