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    Can you carry, open or Concealed weapon at a casino?

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    It is prohibited to conceal carry in a casino . It is NOT however a criminal offense. You CANNOT OC there .

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    This is the only thing I have found and it says riverboat gambling operation, but nothing about a regular casino.


    Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    This is the only thing I have found and it says riverboat gambling operation, but nothing about a regular casino.


    Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    If you want to be the court test case, give it a try, you'll need a lawyer and a lot of cash!
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    If you want to be the court test case, give it a try, you'll need a lawyer and a lot of cash!
    If it is not a criminal offense there shouldn't be a court test, just a "Please can you leave before we call the police" , or the police come and fine you $100 dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    If it is not a criminal offense there shouldn't be a court test, just a "Please can you leave before we call the police" , or the police come and fine you $100 dollars.
    I was thinking about the "City of St. Louis". If you OC to the Casino they'll bust you!
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    Probably not a smart move either way. No one can stop you if you wish to try, but not a good idea.
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    just called the St. Charles police dept. and St. Charles is not an open carry city, so that takes OC of the table.

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    I would strongly encourage you not to get legal advice from police departments. They are frequently wrong. I'm not in the St Louis area, but I'm pretty sure OC is just fine in St. Charles.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    just called the St. Charles police dept. and St. Charles is not an open carry city, so that takes OC of the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    just called the St. Charles police dept. and St. Charles is not an open carry city, so that takes OC of the table.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkUj7CdOpTI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballistic Penguin View Post
    That is me in the video and that was the 1st and last time I was detained in St Charles City. I still OC there and have had LEO's look at me and my firearm and just keep on walking. Who ever told someone that OC was illegal in St Charles was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    That is me in the video and that was the 1st and last time I was detained in St Charles City. I still OC there and have had LEO's look at me and my firearm and just keep on walking. Who ever told someone that OC was illegal in St Charles was wrong.

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    I might just mention.... This encounter was one of the "best" educational experiences for LOEs in St. Charles anyone could ask for. I now OC in St. Charles with confidence and without concern of LEO encounters. They just look and keep on doing what they are suppose to do. This encounter made a big difference both in and outsdie of the St. Charles City limits.
    I applaud sohighlyunlikely for his efforts in OC awareness, he does it very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    This is the only thing I have found and it says riverboat gambling operation, but nothing about a regular casino.


    Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    They are all riverboat casinos in Missouri according to the law and the gaming commission. They are all built on the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancers View Post
    They are all riverboat casinos in Missouri according to the law and the gaming commission. They are all built on the water.
    Correct. Every casino in Missouri is a "riverboat gambling operation", and ALL of them come under authority of the Gaming Commission. The Gaming Commission (not the state) PROHIBITS firearms in casinos. Period. They will not even allow an off-duty LEO in with a gun, and all of them I've been in (which, admittedly, is only a few), have metal detectors that you must walk through to enter which are staffed by security personnel. I'm willing to wager that you can forget about OC OR CC in any casino in this state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cshoff View Post
    Correct. Every casino in Missouri is a "riverboat gambling operation", and ALL of them come under authority of the Gaming Commission. The Gaming Commission (not the state) PROHIBITS firearms in casinos. Period. They will not even allow an off-duty LEO in with a gun, and all of them I've been in (which, admittedly, is only a few), have metal detectors that you must walk through to enter which are staffed by security personnel. I'm willing to wager that you can forget about OC OR CC in any casino in this state.
    Last year we had a room on the riverfront and went to the boat. There was no way I was going there and back after dark without a gun. I took my LCP and had no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festus_Hagen View Post
    Last year we had a room on the riverfront and went to the boat. There was no way I was going there and back after dark without a gun. I took my LCP and had no problems.

    YMMV .
    Well there you go. I'm assuming they did NOT have metal detectors at the door. I've never been to any of the boats in STL city. The two I've been two in Earth City BOTH had metal detectors and security at the door. Of course, I haven't been to any casino in about 6 years, so that may have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshoff View Post
    Well there you go. I'm assuming they did NOT have metal detectors at the door. I've never been to any of the boats in STL city. The two I've been two in Earth City BOTH had metal detectors and security at the door. Of course, I haven't been to any casino in about 6 years, so that may have changed.
    I would say thatalot of them may have them installed. This one ( Ameristar ) didn't at the time. I went to Boonville this year and also took the LCP since I got to thinking about it last night . I had forgotten about that. It was this past spring.

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    Whom ever told you that is wrong...... You can in fact open carry in St.Charles. Who ever told you that either doesn't know the law or just flat out lied to you. We recently did an OC dinner in St.Charles and a cop did stop in to eat and seen us and went about his business.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssherman View Post
    just called the St. Charles police dept. and St. Charles is not an open carry city, so that takes OC of the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshoff View Post
    They will not even allow an off-duty LEO in with a gun, and all of them I've been in (which, admittedly, is only a few), have metal detectors that you must walk through to enter which are staffed by security personnel.
    Just one mild correction, those are NOT security guards, they are indeed law enforcement, a branch of the Missouri state highway patrol. I mention it because the rules are significantly different for how one must interact. You can ignore a security guard but a lawful order from a LEO has penalties.
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    All casinos in MO are riverboat casinos, because that's the only kind the law permits, and I don't think there are any Indian casinos. Now, the gambling commission has a pretty loose definition of a riverboat, but that doesn't mean it's a regular casino.

    Also, it's a bad idea to get your legal advice from YouTube videos also. Laws change, but videos remain the same.

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    dont go to a casino. just give me your money. at least i can put it to good use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    Just one mild correction, those are NOT security guards, they are indeed law enforcement, a branch of the Missouri state highway patrol. I mention it because the rules are significantly different for how one must interact. You can ignore a security guard but a lawful order from a LEO has penalties.

    Let me see if I have this correct. We have agents of the State stationed at private business establishments? If they are not agents of the owner or management how could they ask you to leave? It was my understanding that LE may ask you to leave ONLY after the owner or an agent of the owner had asked you to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    Let me see if I have this correct. We have agents of the State stationed at private business establishments? If they are not agents of the owner or management how could they ask you to leave?
    You have it incorrect.

    We have state police at a state regulated gaming facility as well as state gaming agents at these facilities as well, it is defined in the license of the gamining facilities.

    In other words, the casino's have to pay the state for the licensed state police officers to be there, they have to maintain the holding facilities there and all cost to of it themselves, there is no tax payer cost, but the folks you see in uniform are indeed employees of the state not the casino aka REAL COPS not rentacops with a license to carry a firearm as a rentacop. They can and will arrest for any violation of state or federal law and their orders carry just as much weight as any police officer on the street.

    That is a sizable difference from your standard mall cop who has no recourse beyond telling you to leave and calls the cops if you do not and then you must leave when the real cop says so or be charged.

    You can not be charged with resisting arrest from a mallcop you certainly will be from the state police officer at a casino in MO. This would pply to a brownie acting as security their powers are some what limited.

    I may be saying this in some technically incorrect manner but let me be perfectly clear, the security inside the casino is "the Missouri gaming commission" and the gaming commission is overseen aka a division of "the Missouri Highway patrol" aka very real cops. The security guys in the parking lot are just that, security guys, but the ones on the inside are LEO's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    I may be saying this in some technically incorrect manner but let me be perfectly clear, the security inside the casino is "the Missouri gaming commission" and the gaming commission is overseen aka a division of "the Missouri Highway patrol" aka very real cops. The security guys in the parking lot are just that, security guys, but the ones on the inside are LEO's.
    That is not quite right. There is normally only 1-2 Missouri Highway Patrol Gaming Troopers at a casino at one time and they rarely are out on the gaming floor. The rest of the people (at the door, walking around) are in fact hired security by the casino. My proof of this is my friend worked as security inside River City Casino. Also, at another St. Louis Casino, I was with my dad (I don't gamble) and a drunk guy was starting trouble with him at a blackjack table. My dad got up to leave and the guy through a glass across the casino at him. Of course security grabbed the guy, but we had to talk to a MSHP Gaming Trooper that wasn't even on the floor. He was wearing a suit and a MSHP badge.

    You can normally find the Troopers' cars parked outside. They are unmarked Crown Vics, but have Highway Patrol plates. It's rare to see more than two at one casino.

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    They have BOTH security and MHP, the parking lot and the camera systems are manned by security, the other guards on the inside are part of the gaming commission not the casino, the additional HP are indeed the HP officers that oversee the gaming commission persons, they turn criminals over to the state police but they are LEO's in every sense of the word, just a sub-group of MHP.

    It is how they got some support politicly to even bring gaming to MO, the MHP was against it until they got their part of the pie.
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