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    Noob reactions to OC in Marana...

    I don't live in Marana but way out to the west of the Tuscon Mountains. But... that's where I get my groceries 'n stuff. Noobs are easy to spot... they're pasty looking, generally hatless 'n wear shorts their wives picked out. I pull into FRY's on Silverbell and Cortaro in the hot rod. That thing's an eye opener in itself with the 'rump-rump' lope of a roller cam. Then... Noob one stands open-mouthed beside his mini-van as this 'cowboy' of about the same age as he exits this road beast with (GASP) a big gun on his hip in the cross draw position. Sez the noob: "Is that a real gun?" (Why do people pose such questions? Why would any adult carry a fake gun?) "Yeah" sez I. Noob just continues to stare as I pass by... apparently in shock.

    Inside the store... I'm pushin' the cart around 'n encounter Noob #2. I take his measure 'n figure him to be a recently retired senior exec of some sort. He's got that aura. He glares at the pistol, then at me. (Major stink-eye) "You can't carry that in here!" (Yankee accent... NJ or NY) Sez I: "This is Arizona hoss... get used to it..." I keep on goin'. A younger woman nearby: "He's right... Get used to it or go home." Mr bigshot is deflated and scurries off. (Prob'ly to complain to the manager...) I was expecting him to make a MWAG call on his cell phone. That'd be an interesting awakening.

    'Haven't had any such reactions for awhile... 'n then I get two in 10 minutes. Leaving... a former Suzy Creemcheeze type is loading her SUV next to the hot rod when I fired it up. She jumped straight up in the air. I think she cleared the pavement. I don't usually take that one to the store... I think I'll begin doing that just for the laffs.

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    Pics or it didn't happen! (Hot Rod that is! please include specs.)

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    Effin A... I can't wait to get back out there around Tucson.

    What gun(s) were you carrying when all this went down?

    The wife and I are big Open Carry advocates and are planning a trip to Tucson next year a little after tax time.

    What engine and what size/duration cam did you go with? I love the nice chop of a "big" cam coming out of a nice loud exhaust system. That's one thing I WILL miss about South Carolina, no vehicle inspections whatsoever. No ODB checks, no smog/emissions, nothing... just buy and drive without the government hassling you about it.

    Catalytic converters, what are those??? None of my cars have/had them, just nice mufflers to get a nice loud tone, that isn't obnoxious. I assume that if a vehicle is at or above a certain year model, then it has to have a catalytic converter()s out there in AZ?
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    Funny story, I carry OC and CC here in Oregon and stay in Marana when I come down there. Actually flying into TUS from PDX August 2nd and staying through the 8th.

    Btw, never posted on the AZ forums but probably should more as I generally spend 2 months each year down there. Love the states laws which make a lot more common sense that most places. Glad Oregon as liberal as it is still has Open Carry and is actually not very restrictive compared to even conservative states.

    Can anyone here confirm that non-residents can CC w/o a CHL. I do have a OR CHL. I just ask for the purpose of understanding and knowledge, if I choose to conceal carry instead of open carry (which I generally do 85% of the time) I am covered in every state under the LEOSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Historyman1942 View Post
    Can anyone here confirm that non-residents can CC w/o a CHL. I do have a OR CHL. I just ask for the purpose of understanding and knowledge, if I choose to conceal carry instead of open carry (which I generally do 85% of the time) I am covered in every state under the LEOSA.
    Constitutional Carry applies to almost anyone on Arizona soil. Exceptions are the usual suspects - prohibited possessors, under 21, etc.

    Your CHL is recognized in Arizona and is good in places that serve booze (that aren't posted "no firearms").

    The law that covers Constitutional Carry is ARS 13-3102. The law does not "grant" discreet carry. It simply removes the prohibition to carry discreetly without first begging for government permission.

    Recognition of your permit is in ARS 13-3112, which is also referred to by the Restaurant Carry law in the liquor statutes.

    The best free document on Arizona law is here.

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    Fred: Is it possible to obtain a copy of the Arizona Gun law pamphlet you make reference to? That item would make a great addition to the items for sale by ACDL.
    I, and I'm sure others, would buy a copy rather than rely on the several copies of various articles that are available.
    Mitch

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    Thumbs up

    [QUOTE=Sonora Rebel;1579208]Sez I: "This is Arizona hoss... get used to it..."
    Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    "This is Arizona hoss... get used to it..."
    +1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    "This is Arizona hoss... get used to it..."
    Still waiting for this to become:

    "This is The United States of America hoss... get used to it..."

    ... maybe someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MITCH View Post
    Fred: Is it possible to obtain a copy of the Arizona Gun law pamphlet you make reference to? That item would make a great addition to the items for sale by ACDL.
    I, and I'm sure others, would buy a copy rather than rely on the several copies of various articles that are available. Mitch
    The document was "published" by DPS as part of the instructor guide for the CCW course and updated every year. It belongs to DPS. When I taught the course, I printed it out for my students and then it was "only" 75 pages.

    With DPS no longer involved in CCW training procedures, they have removed the Instructor links from their web page and posted an article lamenting the end of civilization as we know it. Fortunatley, the link to the aritcle is still there but hidden. You can access it from AzCDL's Educational page.

    As the CCW permit process at DPS restructures, I'm not sure that the "legal issues" document will be updated after last year's edition, since there is no longer any official CCW course.

    Alan Korwin publishes a book on Arizona's gun laws and updates it every year as we change the laws. I recommend owning a copy. It's only $14.95.

    Alan is also the force behind Train Me Arizona . AzCDL is one of the sponsors.

    Fred
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    Quote Originally Posted by carsontech View Post
    Effin A... I can't wait to get back out there around Tucson.

    What gun(s) were you carrying when all this went down?

    The wife and I are big Open Carry advocates and are planning a trip to Tucson next year a little after tax time.

    What engine and what size/duration cam did you go with? I love the nice chop of a "big" cam coming out of a nice loud exhaust system. That's one thing I WILL miss about South Carolina, no vehicle inspections whatsoever. No ODB checks, no smog/emissions, nothing... just buy and drive without the government hassling you about it.

    Catalytic converters, what are those??? None of my cars have/had them, just nice mufflers to get a nice loud tone, that isn't obnoxious. I assume that if a vehicle is at or above a certain year model, then it has to have a catalytic converter()s out there in AZ?
    Gun: Springer 1911A1 .45acp

    Engine Mopar 5.9 (360 cid) KRC 210X roller cam duration 210/214 lift .523/.526... yes, you'll need emissions inspection in Pima and Maricopa Counties. I run a pair of 3" CATCO cats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Pics or it didn't happen! (Hot Rod that is! please include specs.)
    500 hp (n/a) This ain't a car forum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    Gun: Springer 1911A1 .45acp

    Engine Mopar 5.9 (360 cid) KRC 210X roller cam duration 210/214 lift .523/.526... yes, you'll need emissions inspection in Pima and Maricopa Counties. I run a pair of 3" CATCO cats.
    He got all bent out of shape over a .45. I was thinking you had a 8" stainless .500 Smith & Wesson magnum or some other big hog leg.
    Freedom is a bit like sex, when your getting it you take it for granted, when you're not you want it bad, other people get mad at you for having it and others want to take it away from you so only they have it.

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    Nice.

    way to go. I got out of New York for just that reason. Noobs.

    OC-American Classic, stainless 1911.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    500 hp (n/a) This ain't a car forum...
    Nice PU! Just curious about how you transport your carry firearms. It would be a sin to transport a 1911 in anything not American made!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Nice PU! Just curious about how you transport your carry firearms. It would be a sin to transport a 1911 in anything not American made!
    Blackhawk Serpa II. I dunno where it's made. I don't care. It works. In the field (horseback) I use an M1918 or M1912 flap holster or an M1914 shoulder holster. One is a gennie (1944) and he other two are repro's... Prob'ly India. They work as intended.
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    I believe BlackHawk Serpa's are made in Meridian, Idaho. Was referring to the PU tho as I'd hate to see a fine 1911 being hauled around in a Yugo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    I believe BlackHawk Serpa's are made in Meridian, Idaho. Was referring to the PU tho as I'd hate to see a fine 1911 being hauled around in a Yugo!
    It's an American truck (then) made by a German company with a Mexican engine, South Korean wheels, Italian tires and a Japanese radio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    It's an American truck (then) made by a German company with a Mexican engine, South Korean wheels, Italian tires and a Japanese radio.
    Truth like this is what cracks me up when I run across Harley riders:

    Them: "Why don't you have an American-made bike?"

    Me: "Mine was assembled in Nebraska by a Japanese company with parts from all over the world. It's as American as yours."

    Them: "Ain't so. Mine is pure 'Merican!"

    Me: "Let's see. Electronics from Japan. Brakes from Europe. Wheels and tires from China...looks like you're in the same boat, man. Your bike is just assembled in a different state than mine."

    Them: "#(*#(*#&*&(@!&^*!&@*&##@"

    *NOTHING* in the US in truly made of US-only materials anymore. Nothing.

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    I have a bunch of guns that weren't 'Made in USA' either. (USSR, DR/DDR, PRC, S. Korea, Brazil, Spain, Italy) They work. Most of the police departments in this country are armed with Austrian Glocks instead of Springfields or Colts too. My next 'carry' gun will be a Sig P-220 .45acp. Why? It works better than a 1911A1 for self defense purposes (IMHO).

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