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    Anyone remember this guy?

    The infamous "Cop heard round the world" was apparently here in Virginia a few years back... anyone know where he worked?


    Video: Canton officer under investigation after concealed carry arrest

    [...]

    Harless, 45, an Ohio native and former Marine worked as a police officer in Virginia for four years before coming to Canton in 1996.

    During his career he has earned several commendations.

    One was from a Virginia judge, who praised the way Harless handled a situation involving a man with a gun, according to records in his city personnel file.

    [...]


    On a side note, few are discussing this aspect of the case, but as has been occasionally discussed here before, the notion is that common law provides for the use of deadly force to protect one-self from unjustified threat of harm or death, even from a police officer... as noted in the blog I linked at the top, "The driver could have easily believed that officer Harless meant him harm, at which point violence could have ensued." With that video as evidence, and a proper explanation of common law, what jury of peers would convict a citizen for killing such a rogue LEO under those circumstances?

    The best summary of this whole incident that I've seen yet is precisely this: This is the kind of cop that gets the good cops killed.

    The whole world is watching this one. It better turn out right.

    TFred

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    Don't know where he worked here, I have been searching trying to find out. I am just glad he left our great Commonwealth. If this guy doesn't get fired, I would be really surprised. The story has now made national news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    ..... The whole world is watching this one. It better turn out right. TFred
    You know it won't. The DA has already tried to bargain not prosecuting in exchange for an agreement not to sue.

    Even if they hang the cop out to dry, there are problems that will not get addressed.

    As for the question of where in Virginia did he work - I'd like to add the question of why/under what circumstances did he leave?

    Did Virginia just dump its problem somewhere else? Or did he slip the trolley tracks afterwards?

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    You know it won't. The DA has already tried to bargain not prosecuting in exchange for an agreement not to sue.
    Funny thing about that... someone I know attempted that approach in reverse, but the[*] prosecutor took it as a "threat" and declined the offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Did Virginia just dump its problem somewhere else? Or did he slip the trolley tracks afterwards?
    I think that boolean expression evaluates to "true".


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Don't know where he worked here,
    He's not sissified enough to be NOVA so considering his mouth...I'd say Hanover or Newport News.
    If he can read and write, Newport News....if not, Hanover.
    Last edited by peter nap; 07-24-2011 at 08:45 AM.

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    You guys (or for Pro, Youse guys) crack me up!

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    I do have a question,
    It is obvious about the CHP guy being bullied but, what about those other folks in the clip.
    Was she a hooker, was he a pimp, or was the cop trying to get a rise from everybody thinking to make a collar?
    Is this what cops do?
    From what I have read here on this forum, cops/patrolman are not our friends, and I tend to agree.
    I would also agree that this patrolman did not come from NoVa, after living in the Toano area for awhile.

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    I'm sure this guy must have siblings working all over Pennsylvania...

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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    Funny thing about that... someone I know attempted that approach in reverse, but the[*] prosecutor took it as a "threat" and declined the offer.
    There is a difference between a defendant knowingly offering to give up one thing for the other and the prosecutor asking the accused to waive one right in order to avoid a trial that has little chance of bringing a sucessful guilty verdict. But in both cases the attorney is suggesting a strategy they think is in the best interest of their client.

    It obviously behooves one to know the interest of the attorney and the benefit of following their suggestions. And of knowing/believing just how firm the ground is they and the client are standing on.

    stay safe.
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    Virginia judge?

    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    You know it won't. The DA has already tried to bargain not prosecuting in exchange for an agreement not to sue.

    Even if they hang the cop out to dry, there are problems that will not get addressed.

    As for the question of where in Virginia did he work - I'd like to add the question of why/under what circumstances did he leave?

    Did Virginia just dump its problem somewhere else? Or did he slip the trolley tracks afterwards?

    stay safe.
    What to make of this:
    During his career he has earned several commendations.

    One was from a Virginia judge, who praised the way Harless handled a situation involving a man with a gun, according to records in his city personnel file.
    As expected, the police Union issues a statement:
    Bill Adams, president of the Canton Police Patrolmen’s Association, has watched the video of the June incident.

    “Obviously whatever transpired on that video is an isolated incident,” Adams said. “It happened and it’s being handled properly right now and the chief is doing what he feels is necessary.”

    Adams said calls involving guns can be emotional and dangerous situations, but he wasn’t condoning anything that might have happened on the recording.

    “We’re a very well-trained and well-rounded police department that has solid officers that can make good, solid decisions every day,” he said. “You can’t (take) one incident like this and make it like every (officer) is out of control.”
    Oh yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasCharged View Post
    From what I have read here on this forum, cops/patrolman are not our friends
    I would disagree to that as a blanket statement
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    I would disagree to that as a blanket statement
    Other than the board policy of not upsetting our LEO friends...and the fact that it only includes 65% of LEA (and growing), why do you disagree Ed.
    These incidents are getting more common all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    These incidents are getting more common all the time.
    They might be more common, but I think that video cameras are helping to bring these "isolated incidents" into the light also. I am very surprised that there was not some kind of malfunction with that dash-cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed41ae View Post
    They might be more common, but I think that video cameras are helping to bring these "isolated incidents" into the light also. I am very surprised that there was not some kind of malfunction with that dash-cam.
    The only explanation I can think of for that is that the guy actually thought his behavior was OK! And that may be even a little bit worse than what he did in the first place!

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed41ae View Post
    They might be more common, but I think that video cameras are helping to bring these "isolated incidents" into the light also. I am very surprised that there was not some kind of malfunction with that dash-cam.
    This is a story about monsters, not a ferry tale.

    Try not to get them confused.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    The only explanation I can think of for that is that the guy actually thought his behavior was OK! And that may be even a little bit worse than what he did in the first place!

    TFred
    I think TFred got it right. Many of today's cops are hired for their GPA's and spent most of their adolescent life stuffed in their school lockers or with a jock tied on their head while being pushed naked out of the locker room door.

    The actions you see in the video are what I call the "I killed the bear" syndrome. He was in a safe situation, with the suspect cuffed and he wanted to act tough for the camera. If it hadn't made it online, he may have even made a copy to show the groupies.

    Speaking of which, where's *******?

    We all do it sometimes. He just took it way over the edge.
    Last edited by peter nap; 07-25-2011 at 10:42 AM.

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    I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers here.
    This was just my opinion on what I see on the OC Forum, actually too much info, but good.
    Also sorry to get folks off the thread in search of this guy when he was in VA.
    What brought me here, awhile ago, was the Skidmark saga from the VCDL.
    I'm glad I have been able to read and understand more about LEO's interaction with the American Subjects, oh strike that, American Citizens on CC and OC issues.
    I do have humor too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasCharged View Post
    I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers here.
    This was just my opinion on what I see on the OC Forum, actually too much info, but good.
    Also sorry to get folks off the thread in search of this guy when he was in VA.
    What brought me here, awhile ago, was the Skidmark saga from the VCDL.
    I'm glad I have been able to read and understand more about LEO's interaction with the American Subjects, oh strike that, American Citizens on CC and OC issues.
    I do have humor too!
    A. I didn't see any ruffled feathers.
    B.We always get off thread. At least I didn't start on Dog Hunters.
    C. Never be sorry!

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    DON'T GET ME STARTED ON DOG HUNTERS......
    Sorry, don't mean to yell.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasCharged View Post
    DON'T GET ME STARTED ON DOG HUNTERS......
    Sorry, don't mean to yell.......
    BROTHER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasCharged View Post
    DON'T GET ME STARTED ON DOG HUNTERS......
    Sorry, don't mean to yell.......
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    BROTHER!
    Yeah, who didn't see that coming?

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    A. I didn't see any ruffled feathers.
    B.We always get off thread. At least I didn't start on sitting in your truck while your dogs run through someone elses property!!!.
    C. Never be sorry!
    FIXED IT FOR YOU

    Still on the dog hunter thing huh?
    "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin0829 View Post
    FIXED IT FOR YOU

    Still on the dog hunter thing huh?
    Thank you Justin...
    It's a good off season hobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    A. I didn't see any ruffled feathers.
    B.We always get off thread. At least I didn't start on Dog Hunters.
    C. Never be sorry!
    You can hunt dogs in Va?


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