Haz.
Regular Member
What a shame there was not one person armed who could put this murdering nutter away during the two hours he roamed about killing innocent people untill he ran out of ammo? Reminded me of the Port Arthur mass murderer Down Under. People running, hiding, not one shooting back! And, suprisingly not one police officer in sight.
Haz.
Link,
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-norway-shooting/story-e6freuy9-1226100956623
For those interested in the Port Arthur mass murder, check this out? Bloody scary reading, I shudder whenever I read it! Make up your own minds!
The case against Martin Bryant alleged he killed Mr. & Mrs. Martin at Seascape Cottage Guesthouse sometime before 12.40pm then travelled south 6km to see a Mr. Larner then proceeded into the Port Arthur Historic Site and after an argument with the parking attendant went to the Broad Arrow Cafe and bought lunch.
He sat having lunch inside then went outside to finish it. At 1.30pm he then went back inside the Cafe and opened fire with a COLT M16 CAR .223 Cal. Rifle killing 20 and wounding another 12 people in 90 seconds then left the Cafe shooting at people in and around the bus park killing and wounding more - during that time he switched guns to an FN SLR .308 Rifle .
He then is alleged to have driven his yellow Volvo out of the site shooting people along the way and at the tollbooth. He then abandons his car and transfers some of his implements to a BMW which belonged to his victims at the tollgate (he leaves behind the keys to Seascape, cans of petrol and a Daewoo Shotgun and ammo) .
He then stops at the service station up the road shooting more people and takes a hostage who is forced into the boot of the BMW. The BMW then proceeds at high speed 6 km north to Seascape where he stops and shoots at cars on the highway injuring more people. He then takes his hostage inside Seascape and sets fire to the BMW.
The time is now around 2pm. Two police officers are confined in a ditch for several hours while shots are fired from Seascape. After dark Special Operations Group Police (SOG) arrive at Seascape. During the night police talk on the phone to someone identified as "Jamie" at Seascape. Many shots are fired from Seascape during the night but nobody outside is hit.. At 7.45am the following morning Seascape erupts in smoke on fire.
At 8.40am Martin Bryant - clothes on fire emerges from the rear of Seascape staggering and unarmed and is apprehended by police with TV News cameras rolling. Bryant remains in hospital isolated for several days. He is then moved to Risdon prison hospital. He denies committing the shootings to police when interviewed.
He pleads not guilty for months. His first lawyer is removed in unclear circumstances and his second lawyer gets him (reportedly under pressure) to later plead guilty (thereby avoiding the requirement for a proper jury trial and scrutiny of evidence). Bryant's isolation continues to this day with little or no contact with his mother or relatives.
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm
Martin Bryant, killer or patsy?
It was commented that the kill rate was too high i.e., proportion of wounded to killed.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/Pam06.html
Joe Vialls, an independent investigator with thirty years direct experience of international military and oil field operations
"Though Australia has tens of thousands of skilled sporting shooters it has very few combat veterans, and even fewer special forces personnel trained to kill large numbers of people quickly in an enclosed space like the Broad Arrow Cafe, which is roughly the same size as mock-up rooms used for practicing the rescue of hostages being held in confined spaces by armed terrorists.
"It is hard to kill quickly under such circumstances for a number of unpleasant reasons, including the fact that shot people tend to fall against other people, shielding the latter from subsequent bullets.
"Targets therefore have to be shot in a careful sequence with split-second timing to maximise kill rates.
"Whoever was on the trigger in Tasmania managed a kill rate well above that required of a fully trained soldier, an impossible task for a man with Martin Bryant's mid-sixties IQ and his total lack of military training, which is an interesting but largely unimportant observation because we have already proved in absolute scientific terms that Bryant could not have acted alone."
Shooting skills far too conspicuous
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/Pam06.html
"In this his ultimate demonstration of combat shooting skill the shooter fired one sighting shot at a fast-moving target of unknown speed from an unsupported free-standing firing position, the most difficult of all; instantly and accurately compensated for vehicle speed and weapon recoil with the same blinding speed as the computer gunsight of an F14 Tomcat, then disabled both driver and vehicle with shots two and three.
"This man might have been an indispensable asset stopping speeding car-bombers in Beirut, but his professional skills were far too conspicuous for Port Arthur."
Read More:
Wendy Scurr
http://www.publicdebate.com.au/php/forums/getpost.php?post_nb=12660&page=2
"I have read Joe Vialls book, I was heavily involved in the Massacre itself, I was working at Port Arthur. I know that what Mr Vialls is stating is true and that the official version is one hell of a cover up. The video footage is one issue, the time factor is another, why did it take police 6 hrs to arrive except for one policeman at 4.30pm and two female officers at 5.30pm to control over 500 people and 5 major crime scenes.
"There many other issues to be considered. But it is one huge coverup."
Government coverup at Port Arthur massacre
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthur.htm
Scathing attack on John Howard's handling of events concerning PAM
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthurhoward.htm
Coverup of the facts
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthurcoverup.htm
Mass murder in Australia: Tavistock's Martin Bryant
by Allen Douglas and Michael J. Sharp
http://noelozzy.50webs.com/lostlink/Martin-Bryant.htm
Further examination of inconsistencies (Sept 2003)
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthur_update.htm
Deceit and Terrorism, Port Arthur Massacre
by Andrew S. MacGregor (7 parts)
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/conspiracy/parthur1.html
Government coverup at Port Arthur
http://www.2012.com.au
Just Facts - Gun Control
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
A resource of independant thinkers.
Port Arthur Coverup
http://www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html
The Great Australian Gun Law Con, Buy-Back
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~confiles/buyback.html
Shooters Party (political party)
http://www.shootersparty.org.au
Sporting Shooters Association of Australia
http://www.ssaa.org.au
Government and Media Lies Exposed
http://www.aia.net.au/freedom/palies1.html
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/palies10.htm
http://www.2012.com.au/PA_updateD.html
The truth on the Port Arthur massacre
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/port_arthur.html
John Howard had the NEW gun laws prepared in 2 weeks: That would be clearly impossible without months of preparation.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/articles/96051409.htm
UN gun control, Agenda-5 (7277 is NOW)
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/lostlink/ungun7277.html
Australia Moves Toward A Fascist Police State
by Allen Douglas (reprinted from Executive Intelligence Review)
http://www.cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=mobilisations/atl&id=ncarticles/Aust_Police_State.html
Haz.
.
Link,
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-norway-shooting/story-e6freuy9-1226100956623
For those interested in the Port Arthur mass murder, check this out? Bloody scary reading, I shudder whenever I read it! Make up your own minds!
The case against Martin Bryant alleged he killed Mr. & Mrs. Martin at Seascape Cottage Guesthouse sometime before 12.40pm then travelled south 6km to see a Mr. Larner then proceeded into the Port Arthur Historic Site and after an argument with the parking attendant went to the Broad Arrow Cafe and bought lunch.
He sat having lunch inside then went outside to finish it. At 1.30pm he then went back inside the Cafe and opened fire with a COLT M16 CAR .223 Cal. Rifle killing 20 and wounding another 12 people in 90 seconds then left the Cafe shooting at people in and around the bus park killing and wounding more - during that time he switched guns to an FN SLR .308 Rifle .
He then is alleged to have driven his yellow Volvo out of the site shooting people along the way and at the tollbooth. He then abandons his car and transfers some of his implements to a BMW which belonged to his victims at the tollgate (he leaves behind the keys to Seascape, cans of petrol and a Daewoo Shotgun and ammo) .
He then stops at the service station up the road shooting more people and takes a hostage who is forced into the boot of the BMW. The BMW then proceeds at high speed 6 km north to Seascape where he stops and shoots at cars on the highway injuring more people. He then takes his hostage inside Seascape and sets fire to the BMW.
The time is now around 2pm. Two police officers are confined in a ditch for several hours while shots are fired from Seascape. After dark Special Operations Group Police (SOG) arrive at Seascape. During the night police talk on the phone to someone identified as "Jamie" at Seascape. Many shots are fired from Seascape during the night but nobody outside is hit.. At 7.45am the following morning Seascape erupts in smoke on fire.
At 8.40am Martin Bryant - clothes on fire emerges from the rear of Seascape staggering and unarmed and is apprehended by police with TV News cameras rolling. Bryant remains in hospital isolated for several days. He is then moved to Risdon prison hospital. He denies committing the shootings to police when interviewed.
He pleads not guilty for months. His first lawyer is removed in unclear circumstances and his second lawyer gets him (reportedly under pressure) to later plead guilty (thereby avoiding the requirement for a proper jury trial and scrutiny of evidence). Bryant's isolation continues to this day with little or no contact with his mother or relatives.
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm
Martin Bryant, killer or patsy?
It was commented that the kill rate was too high i.e., proportion of wounded to killed.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/Pam06.html
Joe Vialls, an independent investigator with thirty years direct experience of international military and oil field operations
"Though Australia has tens of thousands of skilled sporting shooters it has very few combat veterans, and even fewer special forces personnel trained to kill large numbers of people quickly in an enclosed space like the Broad Arrow Cafe, which is roughly the same size as mock-up rooms used for practicing the rescue of hostages being held in confined spaces by armed terrorists.
"It is hard to kill quickly under such circumstances for a number of unpleasant reasons, including the fact that shot people tend to fall against other people, shielding the latter from subsequent bullets.
"Targets therefore have to be shot in a careful sequence with split-second timing to maximise kill rates.
"Whoever was on the trigger in Tasmania managed a kill rate well above that required of a fully trained soldier, an impossible task for a man with Martin Bryant's mid-sixties IQ and his total lack of military training, which is an interesting but largely unimportant observation because we have already proved in absolute scientific terms that Bryant could not have acted alone."
Shooting skills far too conspicuous
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/Pam06.html
"In this his ultimate demonstration of combat shooting skill the shooter fired one sighting shot at a fast-moving target of unknown speed from an unsupported free-standing firing position, the most difficult of all; instantly and accurately compensated for vehicle speed and weapon recoil with the same blinding speed as the computer gunsight of an F14 Tomcat, then disabled both driver and vehicle with shots two and three.
"This man might have been an indispensable asset stopping speeding car-bombers in Beirut, but his professional skills were far too conspicuous for Port Arthur."
Read More:
Wendy Scurr
http://www.publicdebate.com.au/php/forums/getpost.php?post_nb=12660&page=2
"I have read Joe Vialls book, I was heavily involved in the Massacre itself, I was working at Port Arthur. I know that what Mr Vialls is stating is true and that the official version is one hell of a cover up. The video footage is one issue, the time factor is another, why did it take police 6 hrs to arrive except for one policeman at 4.30pm and two female officers at 5.30pm to control over 500 people and 5 major crime scenes.
"There many other issues to be considered. But it is one huge coverup."
Government coverup at Port Arthur massacre
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthur.htm
Scathing attack on John Howard's handling of events concerning PAM
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthurhoward.htm
Coverup of the facts
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthurcoverup.htm
Mass murder in Australia: Tavistock's Martin Bryant
by Allen Douglas and Michael J. Sharp
http://noelozzy.50webs.com/lostlink/Martin-Bryant.htm
Further examination of inconsistencies (Sept 2003)
http://www.downunderwebsites.com/portarthur_update.htm
Deceit and Terrorism, Port Arthur Massacre
by Andrew S. MacGregor (7 parts)
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/conspiracy/parthur1.html
Government coverup at Port Arthur
http://www.2012.com.au
Just Facts - Gun Control
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
A resource of independant thinkers.
Port Arthur Coverup
http://www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html
The Great Australian Gun Law Con, Buy-Back
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~confiles/buyback.html
Shooters Party (political party)
http://www.shootersparty.org.au
Sporting Shooters Association of Australia
http://www.ssaa.org.au
Government and Media Lies Exposed
http://www.aia.net.au/freedom/palies1.html
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/palies10.htm
http://www.2012.com.au/PA_updateD.html
The truth on the Port Arthur massacre
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/pro-freedom.co.uk/port_arthur.html
John Howard had the NEW gun laws prepared in 2 weeks: That would be clearly impossible without months of preparation.
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/articles/96051409.htm
UN gun control, Agenda-5 (7277 is NOW)
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/lostlink/ungun7277.html
Australia Moves Toward A Fascist Police State
by Allen Douglas (reprinted from Executive Intelligence Review)
http://www.cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=mobilisations/atl&id=ncarticles/Aust_Police_State.html
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