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    Theseus lost his appeal.

    I didn't see this posted anywhere, so here it is. To read the opinion open the attached file link titled "People v Clayton Scott Opinion.pdf"

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=394266
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    Unbelievable. Citing Tapia and saying there's no difference between possessing a firearm on public property and private property is silly at best. More lower court bungling of the issues.

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    Yeah, to me this whole case is a private property argument. The tyrants won't willingly give up their control of your private property.
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    Ron Paul from Texas has Submitted H.R. 2613 to repeal the FED GFSZ..... but it needs support. It also won't do anything about Calif. State law.

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    He can still have the judgment declared VOID; http://mysite.verizon.net/~vze2snju/void/index.htm

    I'll bet the record doesn't even show how the court has jurisdiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawful Aim View Post
    He can still have the judgment declared VOID; http://mysite.verizon.net/~vze2snju/void/index.htm

    I'll bet the record doesn't even show how the court has jurisdiction.
    This is internet moonbattery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffmang View Post
    This is internet moonbattery.

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    Maybe so, but I have found small bits of truth to some of his claims. Not that it's in this one though

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    Just one example;
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...OID-Judgements


    I just can't seem to locate any of that moonbattery stuff here;
    http://www.famguardian.org/TaxFreedo...idJudgment.htm
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    You do realize that in California State Court you get one judicial disqualification by right if exercised at the appropriate time?

    More moonbattery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolusername2007 View Post
    I didn't see this posted anywhere, so here it is. To read the opinion open the attached file link titled "People v Clayton Scott Opinion.pdf"

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=394266
    Well that's a long read.
    The biggest error I see is "A Fully Informed jury".
    The Jury was never fully Informed of their rights, as to also "Judging the laws", that's where this case is
    falling behind. If its a "Bad Law" they have the right and duty to say "Not Guilty" ! For the 2A.

    Also this "Law 626.9 GFSZ" Is unconstitutional from the get go.
    It discriminates the Citizens rights, because the Military and Guards, and police, can all carry on that
    property. That makes this "Law" unequal to all persons.
    All laws are to work FOR every one, in a free society.
    Just because "Legislators pass laws don't mean there Lawful, under our Bill of Rights.

    Also why would the court try to hide the "Private Property" exemption, when its up to the 12 judges
    the jury to make that decision. Think about it.

    Maybe we should all ( OC-ers) get a "Restraining Order" to protect our Liberties from the
    "grave danger" of loosing it to foreign government agents !
    All we have to do then is put up with the "Papers Please" program.
    We could all LOC then anywhere at any time !

    Robin47

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffmang View Post
    You do realize that in California State Court you get one judicial disqualification by right if exercised at the appropriate time?

    -Gene
    That is partially correct. One may have a single disqualification without reason but a recusal for cause is always feasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolusername2007 View Post
    I didn't see this posted anywhere, so here it is. To read the opinion open the attached file link titled "People v Clayton Scott Opinion.pdf"

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=394266
    For those of us that aren't calguns members but are interested, can you post up the pdf without a calguns link? You have to be a member there in order to get to the linked file.
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    "Restrictions are not infringements. Bans are infringements.--if it reaches beyond Reasonable bans". (Post # 103)
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    For those of us that aren't calguns members but are interested, can you post up the pdf without a calguns link? You have to be a member there in order to get to the linked file.
    I tried but it seems the file size is too big. Maybe someone else will have better luck than me.
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    Here's an alternate download link:
    http://filevo.com/vp6ewg8swy5p.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Here's an alternate download link:
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    Thanks Bigtoe. Got it, read it, has the next level of appeal been filed?

    I can't believe these courts pull this crap. It's obvious that PRIVATE PROPERTY is.....PRIVATE PROPERTY. Whether it is "open to the public" or not doesn't magically change it into "public property". 626.9 EXEMPTS PRIVATE property. It makes no distinction as to whether the property is open to the public or not.

    Tapia was a sidewalk with a public easement, bogus finding but not as big of a reach as a flippin parking lot with no public easement (defined as easement granted to ... or taken by... government).
    "The Second Amendment speaks nothing to an unfettered Right". (Post # 100)
    "Restrictions are not infringements. Bans are infringements.--if it reaches beyond Reasonable bans". (Post # 103)
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