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Birthers here we go again...

Sheldon

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From http://visiontoamerica.org/2765/subpoena-to-be-delivered-for-obamas-hawaii-birth-certificate/

Computer scanning expert Doug Vogt and typesetting expert Paul Irey say they will accompany attorney Orly Taitz when she presents to the Hawaii Department of Health a subpoena that should allow her to examine Barack Obama‘s original 1961 typewritten birth certificate.



Vogt and Irey both told WND they are making travel plans to join Taitz in Honolulu when she goes to the state agency at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, Aug. 8, to present the subpoena in person.



“We will plan to hold a press conference late in the day of Aug. 8,” Vogt said, “and if the document we see varies from the birth certificate documents the White House released, we plan to file criminal charges in Hawaii immediately.”



Vogt shared with WND a copy of a letter he has written to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, putting Louie on notice regarding the reasons he believes the birth certificate released by the White House is fraudulent
 

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Personally, I never believed that Obama was not born in the US. I did wonder, though what concerned me was his overblown hesitancy to release his actual birth certificate. When Hawaii finally released it, that exacerbated the hinky feelings over the question of what he could have possibly been trying to hide.

It seems like these folks sense some shenanigans in the release, not necessarily that Obama was not born in America.

Anyway, rather than calling these folks "birthers," it may be more appropriate to call them "certificaters."

I still wonder what Obama was hiding. They likely will find no real difference between the document on file and the one released. (They may well find some trivial differences caused by reproduction and choose to read nefarious intent into those differences.) But, still, I am curious to see what they turn up.

We should expect the openness and honesty from a president that a "Knock yourself out, guys," would demonstrate. That attitude is something Obama lacks and is, IMO, the real concern in this affair.
 

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personally, i never believed that obama was not born in the us. I did wonder, though what concerned me was his overblown hesitancy to release his actual birth certificate. When hawaii finally released it, that exacerbated the hinky feelings over the question of what he could have possibly been trying to hide.

It seems like these folks sense some shenanigans in the release, not necessarily that obama was not born in america.

Anyway, rather than calling these folks "birthers," it may be more appropriate to call them "certificaters."

i still wonder what obama was hiding. They likely will find no real difference between the document on file and the one released. (they may well find some trivial differences caused by reproduction and choose to read nefarious intent into those differences.) but, still, i am curious to see what they turn up.

We should expect the openness and honesty from a president that a "knock yourself out, guys," would demonstrate. That attitude is something obama lacks and is, imo, the real concern in this affair.

it does not matter if he was born in the" usa" or not!! What matters is " that he is "not" a natural born citizen of the usa", meaning that to be a natural born citizen, you have to be born on us soil, " and be born to two us citizens at the time of birth"! Obama's daddy was a" british subject" from kenya ", and was never a citizen of the us when obama jr. Was born, therefore obama jr. Can never be a" natural born citizen" of the usa, and can never run for, or be, elected president of the u.s.a. " ever" !! Get it !! Obama is a usurper and was never "vetted" by congress, he is a plant, sorry to say, but true! Check for yourselves what the constitution rules say, what, the requirements for president are. Sorry for the all caps, but i am so sick of uninformed people thinking that , this man is" eligible" to be the president of the " u.s.a." when he's " not " and never will be. Thanks for letting me blow off steam.
 

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My thoughts are that he/his handlers wanted to use it to distract people by making fun of the birthers, he could have produced it at any time but then they would have found something else to latch on like the fact that his *********************REDACTED BY NSA*********************************************** and you know it would be the *******REDACTED BY NSA****** and that would end the whole thing.
 

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My thoughts are that he/his handlers wanted to use it to distract people by making fun of the birthers, he could have produced it at any time but then they would have found something else to latch on like the fact that his *********************REDACTED BY NSA*********************************************** and you know it would be the *******REDACTED BY NSA****** and that would end the whole thing.

Very funny...lol. Personally, I have also always believed he is a US citizen. To me I have the belief that someone in the previous administration would have checked Obama out before he became President. I am sure someone, NSA?, was checking into the backgrounds of every candidate. If there had been any serious concern of his eligibility I'm sure it would have been addressed if for nothing more than political reasons. I am not an Obama fan at all, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure he's legitimate. The "birthers" or "certificators" should redirect their energy to make sure he is not re-elected in 2012....
 

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My, my. What little faith y'all have in our vaunted CIA. If CIA can't sneak passably forged documents into a little ol' hospital file...

Hmmmm. I wonder if that was the delay. :)
 

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it does not matter if he was born in the" usa" or not!! What matters is " that he is "not" a natural born citizen of the usa", meaning that to be a natural born citizen, you have to be born on us soil, " and be born to two us citizens at the time of birth"! Obama's daddy was a" british subject" from kenya ", and was never a citizen of the us when obama jr. Was born, therefore obama jr. Can never be a" natural born citizen" of the usa, and can never run for, or be, elected president of the u.s.a. " ever" !! Get it !! Obama is a usurper and was never "vetted" by congress, he is a plant, sorry to say, but true! Check for yourselves what the constitution rules say, what, the requirements for president are. Sorry for the all caps, but i am so sick of uninformed people thinking that , this man is" eligible" to be the president of the " u.s.a." when he's " not " and never will be. Thanks for letting me blow off steam.

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image courtesy xkcd.com

I know about.com isn't exactly top notch, but it appears the both parents being US citizens is only a requirement when born over seas...
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm

Like it or not, he is your president, vote him out in 2012 if you want(If the republicans put up a decent candidate I'll be there with you), but one day you'll have to accept that the president of the United States from 2008-2012/2016 was Barrack Hussein Obama.
 

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it does not matter if he was born in the" usa" or not!! What matters is " that he is "not" a natural born citizen of the usa", meaning that to be a natural born citizen, you have to be born on us soil, " and be born to two us citizens at the time of birth"! Obama's daddy was a" british subject" from kenya ", and was never a citizen of the us when obama jr. Was born, therefore obama jr. Can never be a" natural born citizen" of the usa, and can never run for, or be, elected president of the u.s.a. " ever" !! Get it !! Obama is a usurper and was never "vetted" by congress, he is a plant, sorry to say, but true! Check for yourselves what the constitution rules say, what, the requirements for president are. Sorry for the all caps, but i am so sick of uninformed people thinking that , this man is" eligible" to be the president of the " u.s.a." when he's " not " and never will be. Thanks for letting me blow off steam.

You may not strive to use proper punctuation and capitalization, but I do. When you quote my posts, please do not alter my correct language in favor of your improper use of the language.

On point: Cite? Where did you get that definition? Codified law? Judicial opinion?
 

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You may not strive to use proper punctuation and capitalization, but I do. When you quote my posts, please do not alter my correct language in favor of your improper use of the language.

On point: Cite? Where did you get that definition? Codified law? Judicial opinion?

How did he even manage to mess up what you said that badly? When you quote doesn't it copy everything exactly? I would also like a cite because I doubt some of what he is saying. The particular part of his statement that I am referring to is all of it.
 
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How did he even manage to mess up what you said that badly? When you quote doesn't it copy everything exactly? I would also like a cite because I doubt some of what he is saying. The particular part of his statement that I am referring to is all of it.

My guess is that he accidentally deleted part of my post and did not know how to do a simple undo. Instead, he used his typing techniques to retype my words. I am glad he got them right. I just don't like a quote out there that makes me look lazy in my post-typing. I actually put a great deal of effort into crafting each and every post.
 

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So if Obama's certificate is found to have been forged, two questions:

1. What would happen to Obama? Jail time?

2. Would Biden step up to the plate, or would he resign for having been a party to the deception?
 

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I don't know whether Obama is a citizen or not.. at this point I don't think it matters much...

I will say, however, that if you download that birth certificate the whitehouse web page had... (and I did this myself) and open it up with photoshop, the document has MANY layers... as in someone forgot to "flatten" the image that they had created... I DO NOT believe the released birth certificate is REAL and UNEDITED.

If it simply was a scan and post type deal, there would be no layers as there was.

I have the document if it is not still posted on the whitehouse site... I would be happy to e-mail it to anyone that has photoshop so they can see for themselves.

There was also a video going around of a guy breaking the birth cert. down using photoshop and him saying why it is UNMISTAKABLY a fake.
 

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There is all sorts of stuff that could happen to Obama. Using a social security number that wasn't assigned to you is a felony. Treason, punishable by death, is another. None of it will happen to Obama. He will be allowed to run for a second term.

I believe there is a pretender in the White House, but nobody is willing to do anything about it.
 
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SourKraut

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Yeah, when the facts don't compute the name calling starts, and it started with the term "birther". Orly may very well be a "wackjob", but she is mostly correct on the Birth Certificate issue.

Did any of you check up on Roger Calero? He was ON THE BALLOT in FIVE STATES, and he was clearly born in Nicaragua to Nicaraguian nationals. Calero only had the backing of a small socialist party, what do you suppose a large socialist party like the Democrats could come up with? The fact is that no President has ever been vetted by anyone other than the press, and the press broken.
 

zerodown

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Hey all...

Here is a link to a photoshop pro who takes his time to address all of the details being discussed on this thread. THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!! It has certainly made a Birth/Cert. guy out of me. It's a little lengthy...three parts in all, but well worth the investment in time. ENJOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY
 

Yaki

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There ya go folks. Keep playing around with the birth certificate nonsense then you can all sit in a circle trying to figure out why he was re-elected.
You exclude large voting demographics with the retarded nonsense that some groups in this country continue to regurgitate.
If you don't like his politics then talk about that. Stop the racist crap about where he was born. I know you were all concerned about where every president before him was born (lying sacks of sh**). Go ask Bush for his BC.

Hell i still haven't heard anyone say how he f**cked up this country got under george bush. the Bulls**t Homeland security. How about him tapping phones? How about his limiting stem cell research because of where it would come from. How about the billions wasted on 2 wars (hows that working out). My bad you were too busy looking for Waldo who had the presidents birth certificate. How about the searching on subways you crying about that?

Crush the man about his politics not his freaking birth certificate. Hell I changed my voting habits based on politics and what those elected will and will not do. I cannot let some idiots here and across the country influence me because I won't vote to spite a few short minded people.

You must know how f**king stupid you sound about a birth certifcate. Hell at least Hitler was obvious about what he was doing (except during the olympics).
 
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