What's to retrain? The kid has (er, had...) two things to do. Stock shelves and help the paying customer get what he wants. Not a whole helluva lot to work with there if he can't do the latter. You mention the economy. Look at it this way, someone far more willing to do the job now has it in this poor economy.
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Walmart refused ammo sale.
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What's to retrain? The kid has (er, had...) two things to do. Stock shelves and help the paying customer get what he wants. Not a whole helluva lot to work with there if he can't do the latter. You mention the economy. Look at it this way, someone far more willing to do the job now has it in this poor economy.
GvdM
Regular Member
Just a side. It was not a kid but a guy who appeared to be in his 40's
MKEgal
Regular Member
GvdM said:
I agree with Ike.Coach Ike said:
Though maybe the store manager decided to retrain the higher-ups instead of firing them?
More training already invested, ya know.
M-Taliesin
Regular Member
Howdy Amigo!
To begin with, this is a forum about open carry, not a debate over Walmart itself. However, considering you call the credibility of others into question, I will quote only a few sources here. Just a very few of a really big iceburg! After this, I will not continue driving this thread off topic. I won't however, let your claim go unchallenged:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/WalMart_Welfare.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/22298/
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/walmart/walmart_3a.cfm
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/wal-mart/welfare.htm
http://www.dsausa.org/lowwage/walmart/2004/walmart study.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/200512100002
http://forums.hannibal.net/boards3/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=189438
http://drgdarealgrinc.hubpages.com/hub/Walmarts-pros--cons
http://walmartwatch.org/blog/archives/is-wal-mart-still-encouraging-employees-to-use-food-stamps/
http://nomountorabwalmart.wordpress.com/
http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Wal-Mart-s-women-employees-and-customers-in-1162992.php
ALABAMA: 3,864 Children of WAL-MART Employees are Enrolled in Medicaid
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"Retail giant Wal-Mart tops the list of companies in Alabama whose employeeshave children on Medicaid, the [Montgomery] Advertiser reported, citing staterecords. Wal-Mart workers' children account for 3,864 children on the Medicaidrolls at a cost between $5.8 million and $8.2 million."
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Source: Associated Press,"Wal-Mart No. 1 in Employee Medicaid,"
The Decatur Daily
, February 23, 2005
ARIZONA: 2,700 WAL-MART Workers on Medicaid
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According to state data provided to Capitol Media Services and reported by theArizona Daily Star, "Close to one of every 10 Wal-Mart employees is gettinghealth insurance paid for by Arizona taxpayers, according to figures obtainedFriday from the state...In the Arizona statistics, nearly 2,700 people listed theiremployer as Wal-Mart out of more than 28,000 company employees in thestate...The numbers came as a surprise to state Sen. Richard Miranda, D-Phoenix, who tried earlier this year to get a law requiring the DES [Department of
Economic Security] to disclose the employers of people on AHCCCS. Thatmeasure was defeated amid opposition from corporate lobbyists, including RipWilson representing Wal-Mart."
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Source: Howard Fischer,"Wal-Mart 1st in State Aid Enrollees,"
Arizona Daily Star
,July 30, 2005
ARKANSAS: 3971 WAL-MART Workers on Public Assistance
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"Nearly 10,000 workers with Arkansas' nine largest employers receive publicwelfare for themselves and their families, according to the state Department of Human Services. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., with 3,971 of its 45,106 employees onpublic assistance, topped the list."
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Source: Brian Baskin,"Top 9 Employers in State Have 9,698 Getting Public Aid,"
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
, March 17, 2005.
CONNECTICUT: 824 WAL-MART Workers
Have Children in a State
Heath CareProgram
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According to a report prepared by the Connecticut Office of Legislative Researchexamining enrollment data for the HUSKY (Healthcare for UninSured Kids andYouth) program for children of low-income families, "The same employersaccount for the highest number of employed parents of HUSKY A [traditionalMedicaid] and B [state CHIP] children. For example, Wal Mart employed thehighest number of HUSKY A parents (824 in September 2004) and the secondhighest number of HUSKY B parents (79 in December 2004)."
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Source: Robin K. Cohen,"HUSKY A and B - Enrollment and Employer Data,"
Connecticut Office of Legislative Research Report 2005-R-0017
, January 10,2005.
FLORIDA: 12,300 WAL-MART Workers and their Dependents on Medicaid
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"Wal-Mart Corp., which is getting millions of dollars in state incentives to createjobs in Florida, has more employees and family members enrolled in Medicaidthan any company in the state. ...The giant retailer, which has 91,000 full-timeand part-time employees in Florida, has about 12,300 workers or dependentseligible for Medicaid, the growing health care program for the poor and theelderly...According to figures released Thursday by Florida's Department of Children and Families, Wal-Mart and four other large companies that receive stateincentives have an estimated 29,900 employees or their family members enrolledin Medicaid...The figures suggest taxpayers may be double-subsidizing low-wageemployment by paying companies to create jobs and by paying for the healthcare of some of those companies' employees."
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Source: Sydney P. Freedberg and Connie Humburg,"Lured Employers Now TaxMedicaid,"
St. Petersburg Times
, March 25, 2005.
GEORGIA: 10,261 Children of WAL-MART Employees are Enrolled in PeachCarefor Kids
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"A state survey found 10,261 of the 166,000 children covered by Georgia's PeachCare? for Kids health insurance in September 2002 had a parent working for Wal-Mart Stores...Wal-Mart is the state's largest private employer. But when the topfour companies on the list are measured by number of PeachCare children per thenumber of employees in Georgia, Wal-Mart still dominates."
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Source: Andy Miller,"Wal-Mart Stands Out On Rolls Of PeachCare,"
AtlantaJournal-Constitution,
February 27, 2004.
There is lots and lots more, but I believe I've made my point. What I said was accurate.
It has been confirmed by state agencies in every state in which Walmart operates.
Of course, it could just be that you think there is some sort of grand conspiracy against Walmart that includes current and former employees, state agencies in all 50 states, news organizations across the nation, in collusion with the AFL-CIO.
Once we conclude that such a massive conspiracy is, at face value, ridiculous, we are left with what must actually be true.
Now, with your gracious cooperation, let us return to the topic!
Blessings,
M-Taliesin
Jim675
Founder's Club Member
Yaki
Regular Member
Just curious where does it say in any of your links that walmart says go get benifits? That was the point, not that the employees are recieving aid but whether they were told to go collect aid..
M-Taliesin
Regular Member
Howdy Amigo!
The answer to your off topic question can easily be found in the links I posted.
You did not read them. Please do not continue to hijack this thread with off topic sideline discussion.
Now, back to topic.
Nothing will infuriate me quicker than bad customer service. And the problem with bad customer service is that it is epidemic in our society. If I had been the OP, going into that store and being treated by an associate as the OP was, I'd have demanded the store manager present him/her self immediately to resolve the situation. If they fail to resolve the issue - then and there - I'd call their corporate - right then and there - and demand a resolution then and there.
I am a real easy going guy. I will quickly reward good customer service and tend to tip well where appropriate. But I also have a hair trigger when it comes to clear and overt customer abuse, as happened to the OP in this instance. I will behave in a dynamic and assertive manner when given poor service, and will call them out on it. But when I do get my dander up, it has been pretty egregious on their part. Whether it is obvious signs of apathy, being rude to customers, failing to assist them with questions, bad customer service is something I won't tolerate gladly.
It is my opinion that bad customer service comes from bad representatives of a company who do not understand (or care) about good customer service. They might get away with their behavior for quite awhile because most folks do not wish to complain. That works for them and they skate by until they run into someone who won't be given shoddy service. And the best way for us to regain that spirit of customer service in America is to demand quality customer service and not settle for less. That means all of us. Don't let stuff slide, but make reasonable complaint to appropriate level of management whenever you encounter bad service. Weed 'em out! Hold their feet to the fire. Worst case scenario, take your money elsewhere and let it be known to management why! It is the only thing they understand: Negative impact on the bottom line.
To the OP... Don't worry whether your complaint got the individual discharged from his job. As I said before, he brought it on himself when he elected to abuse a customer. You did the right thing. He done it to himself.
Blessings,
M-Taliesin
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Phlip74
Regular Member
Thank you for the info. interesting, but I was saying that Wal-Mart doesn't tells it's employees to get on those programs. It is the Worlds Largest Corporation and it is not unusuall that it is also the worlds largest employer so of course they would have more people on state programs than someone that employs less people, that is all I am saying. I am also speaking from experience that their insurance was not as exensive as people are writng about because I had great insurance and used it when I could. But you can't blame the company because the employee chooses to live off of the state and not pay for their own health insurance. that Is all the off topic I am going as well. I do appreciate the reading thank you.
thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
I will add that it only cost me $40 a month to have full health and dental for my family when I worked at Walmart. That's hard to beat.
Back on topic, I doubt they fired the employee. More than likely he was coached (formal discipline) which will stay on his record for a year. Unless he had previous problems with customers and had already been coached to the point of termination.
Back on topic, I doubt they fired the employee. More than likely he was coached (formal discipline) which will stay on his record for a year. Unless he had previous problems with customers and had already been coached to the point of termination.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
Good outcome. If the ******* 'associate' lost his job he can always go home to the PDR of KA. Screw him. "I don't feel safe...wahhh!" Wrong state and definitely wrong city, moron.
RockyMtnScotsman
Regular Member
Glad I read the thread all the way through because after the OP I was already reaching for my truck keys and blackhawk holster.
papa bear
Regular Member
we had a post about our local wally world recently, very similar to this. i was flabbergasted, i have been in this store OCing every time. and knew the people in the "sporting good" section were pro-gun. i asked some of them if they knew anything about it. the one lady said "Oh yeah that was ED 
, don't worry he's been straightened out". it seems that ED took it upon himself to tell the guy he couldn't carry in the store. ED is a "half back", and no doubt a union product . i have a couple of occasions to deal with ED and believe me i wish i was as smart as he thinks he is
, don't worry he's been straightened out". it seems that ED took it upon himself to tell the guy he couldn't carry in the store. ED is a "half back", and no doubt a union product . i have a couple of occasions to deal with ED and believe me i wish i was as smart as he thinks he is
Beau
Regular Member
Careful with that. Refusing to leave when told will land you a ticket for trespass.
M-Taliesin
Regular Member
Howdy Papa Bear!
What does "union" have to do with the situation? WalMarts are not unionized. I am astounded at how frequently people attribute this to unions when there are no unions at Walmart. If Walmart had a union, maybe the people who work at Walmart might be paid better, rather than usually being the lowest paid retail employees in any given state. (see links I've previously posted).
Union bashing is so endemic, it gets demonized for everything labor related, and that's just not accurate when referring to non-union entities like Walmart. I don't understand the point of throwing unions under the bus when unions are not involved to begin with!
Fault the employee who was wrong rather than unions that aren't even part of the issue.
Blessings,
M-Taliesin
the_hustleman
Regular Member
Same thing as kroger, except walmart pays better (yes, the anti union company pays more than a union company). The same position you get a kroger paying 7.25 pays 9 at walmart.
Most people at kroger would love to work at walmart unless they've been working there for 15+ years.
Walmart for an employee is better than their competition!
*swyped from the evo so excuse any typos*
the_hustleman
Regular Member
I have to correct you here. Walmart pays more than their competition.
A cashier starting there with no experience brings in 9 an hour (i was involved in the hiring process a couple years ago and a friend of mine was hired there as her first job as cashier, 9 an hour) .it goes up from there based on experience as high as 10. Also walmart gives raises of AT LEAST .40 an hour annually plus the stock purchase program (which led to me having a couple thousand dollars after just 1 year of employment putting 15 dollars per pay period).
Meanwhile the competition pays like this
Target (non union) - 7.50
Publix (non union) - 8
Kroger (union) - 7.25 (not a typo either! ) and raises every six months of either ten cents or five cents)
So no, the union store pays the least, refuses to let associates get full time status, but benefits are exceptional.
This is from someone that has worked for walmart AND kroger, so I know the information posted to be factual.
*swyped from the evo so excuse any typos*
Polynikes
Regular Member
Indeed. This is a very important point to remember and perhaps the only thing I would have done differently in this situation. If someone demands that I remove my firearm from their premises, I will immediately take it outside and secure it in my car before returning to the property and demanding an explanation for my disarming. At that point, I can safely debate with any store personnel without the fear of them calling the cops and saying something to the effect of "There's an argumentative, armed individual in my store who will not vacate the premises."
Half Live
Regular Member
Wow Kroger out where you live sucks. King Soopers here, which is owned by Kroger and is Union pays way more. I worked there for 3 years and was making $15 a hour and health insurance was $20 a month. And that was just in the deli. I had a friend who work their as a cashier and he made more than me. That is way more than Walmart.
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since9
Campaign Veteran
I was in the neighborhood the other day and needed a few things, including groceries, so I stopped by this Walmart store and headed over to the sporting goods counter on the right of the store. I immediately noticed no one was manning the counter. After waiting about five minutes, a line of six of us began sending out representatives in an attempt to find a sales rep to help us.
The (or at least a) department manager finally arrived around the 7 min point, at which point I asked to see three different types of 9mm ammunition. After I selected two boxes of my choice, she rang me up and I proceeded to the other side of the store to grab some groceries.
The time was around 10:30 am.
No one in the store said a word about my OCing.
M-Taliesin
Regular Member
Howdy Amigo!
Bingo! Precisely what I thought. And documentation I posted earlier asserts the same facts. In most locations, Walmart is lower paying than other retail outlets. Thank you for sharing your own insight, based on personal experience.
Blessings,
M-Taliesin