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    Just returned to Sunny Florida from NYC

    Folks,

    The People's Republic of NYC is a deserted wasteland, where no human being retains the most basic of dignities: self-defense. Despite NYC not allowing any firearms at all while out in the most basic places (we stayed at our place in the Lower West Side, next to the WTC), there seems to be a heavy police presence. The issue is that the cops are in the tourist traps, and not in the residential areas.

    They walk the beat in Times' Square, Fifth Avenue, Seventh Avenue, etc., but they forget about the folks who actually have a place there. In Florida we have a saying: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop. It seems to me that the system in NYC is rigged so that the folks who live there have no protection, while the tourists get all the perks. Am I wrong here?

    What is the state of carry in NYC as opposed to upstate NY? And is NYC ever going to wake up and get with the program anytime soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojo712 View Post
    Folks,

    The People's Republic of NYC is a deserted wasteland, where no human being retains the most basic of dignities: self-defense. Despite NYC not allowing any firearms at all while out in the most basic places (we stayed at our place in the Lower West Side, next to the WTC), there seems to be a heavy police presence. The issue is that the cops are in the tourist traps, and not in the residential areas.

    They walk the beat in Times' Square, Fifth Avenue, Seventh Avenue, etc., but they forget about the folks who actually have a place there. In Florida we have a saying: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop. It seems to me that the system in NYC is rigged so that the folks who live there have no protection, while the tourists get all the perks. Am I wrong here?

    What is the state of carry in NYC as opposed to upstate NY? And is NYC ever going to wake up and get with the program anytime soon?

    Was there as well. MS-13 graffiti everywhere. This is why NY sucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk2Wc...mbedded#at=201

    people like this running the show.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    I wont travel to NY. No tourist $ from me, if I can not defend my life.
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    It's really simple to get a permit in New York. Just follow these simple instructions. Sarcasm off. Seriously, this is a quarter of the rules and restrictions related to just APPLYING for a permit. Good luck to anyone who actually tries to get the special permit to carry in NYC, unless you're famous.

    Instructions to all Handgun License Applicants

    The application form MUST be typewritten and signed by you, and your signature must be notarized. Only the original application form will be accepted. DO NOT SEND A PHOTOCOPY. The application form must be completely filled out and presented by you personally at the License Division. At the time you submit your application, you must furnish the items listed below that are applicable to you. All documents, certificates, licenses, etc., must be submitted in the original. (A copy certified by the issuing agency as true and complete is also acceptable). In addition, a legible photocopy of each item submitted must accompany the original or certified copy. Originals and certified copies will be returned. Your application will not be accepted without the required documents.

    1. Photographs: Two (2) color photographs of you taken within the past thirty (30) days are required. They should measure 1˝ x 1˝ inches and show you from the chest up. The wearing of any article of clothing or adornment that obscures identification is not permitted.

    2. Birth Certificate: In lieu of your birth certificate, some other proof of your birth date, e.g., a military record, U.S. passport or baptismal certificate must be submitted. You must be twenty-one (21) years of age to apply for a handgun license or rifle/shotgun permit.

    3. Proof of Citizenship/Alien Registration: If you were born outside the United States, you must submit your naturalization papers or evidence of citizenship if derived from your parents. All other applicants born outside the United States must submit their Alien Registration Card. If you have lived in this country less than 7 years you must submit a good conduct certificate, or equivalent, from your country of origin and two (2) letters of reference that certify to your good character.

    4. Military Discharge: If you served in the armed forces of the United States, you must submit your separation papers (DD 214) and your discharge.

    5. Proof of Residence: You must submit proof of your present address. Proof may consist of, but is not limited to, a real estate tax bill, ownership shares in a cooperative or condominium, or a lease. You may also be requested to supply further documentation i.e., a New York State Driver's License, a New York State Income Tax Return, or a current utility bill.

    6. Arrest Information: If you were ever arrested, indicted or summonsed for any reason, other than a parking violation, you must answer "Yes" to question #23 on the handgun license application and submit a certificate of disposition showing the offense and disposition. Also, you must submit a detailed, notarized statement describing the circumstances surrounding each arrest or summons. YOU MUST DO THIS EVEN IF: the case was dismissed, the record was sealed or the case was nullified by operation of law. The New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services will report to us every instance involving the criminal prosecution of an applicant. DO NOT rely on anyone's representation that you need not list a previous arrest or summons.

    If you were ever convicted or pled guilty to a felony offense or a serious offense, as defined in Penal Law Section 265.00(17), an original Certificate of Relief of Disabilities, signed by a judge, must be submitted.

    6a. Order of Protection: If you have ever had an Order of Protection issued against you, or issued on your behalf against anyone, you must list the following information: Court of Issuance, Date of Issuance, Complainant's name, address and phone number, Complainant's relationship to you, and reason for issuance of Order of Protection.

    7. Proof of Business Ownership: If you are making application for a carry or premises license for use in connection with a business, you must submit proof of ownership for that business. Such proof must clearly state the names of the owner(s), or, if a corporation, the names of the corporate officers. A Corporation must submit its corporate book to include filing receipt, certificate of incorporation and minutes of the corporate meeting reflecting current corporate officers; others must provide their business certificate or partnership agreement, whichever is applicable. If the business requires a license or permit from any government agency, e.g., alcohol or firearms sales, gunsmith, private investigation and guard agencies, you must submit the license or permit or a certified copy thereof. You must also submit proof of address for the business. Proof may consist of a utility bill, not more than 60 days old, in the name of the business or a lease in the name of the business.

    8. Letter of Necessity: All applicants for a carry license and those seeking a premises license for use in connection with their employment MUST complete the Letter of Necessity found on page 3 of the application. NO SUBSTITUTES WILL BE ACCEPTED.

    9. Social Security Card: All persons filing applications must bring their original Social Security cards with them to the License Division when applying for a license.


    The application fee is $340.00.

    Please note that effective October 1, 2007, the fingerprint fee is $94.25 for all applicants.

    These fees may be paid by credit card or by two separate money orders made payable to the New York City Police Department.

    ALL FEES ARE NON-REFUNDABLE

    http://iw-prd.nycnet/iw-cc/command/#license_types
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    Photographs? Birth certificate? "Letter of necessity"? LOL

    I understand the argument that if you were born in a place, you should work to change it if it be anti-liberty. However, I do think there is a time and a place for "live to fight another day."

    Move to a free state! Madison wrote of the "laboratories of democracy," where different states would try different policies (this is in the age before the "incorporation" of the Bill of Rights, by the way), and the best would win out. Some states may ban arms, or establish a state religion, and people would move to or from that place based upon their acceptance of those values.

    Clearly, your values place you more comfortably in the Mountain West. We'd love to have you.

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    Lived up there for the better part of 15 yrs. Lot I liked about the place, a lot more I disliked, overall- the gun/sd/hd issue being chieft amongst them.
    The irony that in one of THE places in this country in which the common-citizen MOST NEEDS a sidearm, and the legal right to carry it-and , if need be, make use of it- you cant.
    That never, ever made one bit of sense to me at all. The powers that be cant possibly argue statistics against lawful carry with a straight face- look at the sheer numbers of voilent crimes that take place on innocent, un-armed, defenseless victims.
    I lived there in the years before Rudy took power, and it was a sheer hell-hole. I had hoped that amongst other changes, for the better, Rudy would have put this issue to rights as well. But even HE did not. That really blew my mind.
    If you cant even get someone in power like him to make the change, there's little hope anyone else ever will.

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    Easiest way to get to carry as a NYC resident? (Speaking from living 23.5 out of my 24 years on this planet there) Move to Virginia(in my case) or any other state that gives you personal rights. NYC is a nanny state, NY State as a whole isn't much better, but is better. Unfortunately, Albany(which is upstate New York, physically distant from NYC), is essentially run by NYC interest.

    On top of the hoops to go through just to be permitted to OWN a pistol (there are strict rules on how you can transport it), a CHP is almost impossible, unless you're part of His Majesty, the Honorable Mayor Bloomberg's security detail, or a prior LEO, or you carry diamonds or a ton of CASH (and it must be proven with daily bank receipts) every day.

    Long guns are also on a permit system. A $99 marlin .22lr rifle requires a ~$300 permit.

    With the crap gun laws (even knife laws in NYC are so convoluted it's just safer not to carry one), the failing local(NYC) gov't and my (obvious) personal distaste for living in NYC, I jumped on the chance to move to rural VA. Less than 6 months here, I feel healthier, happier, and calmer. Every day in NY I felt compelled to carry a pocket knife and my surefire for daily tasks and in case I ran into a rabid creature on the way home. In my last year home, the combination of both deterred several rabid creatures, some even had four legs. Now in VA, where I can carry a pistol openly, and knives are viewed as tools, and a CHP is easy to get... I really have no driving urge to carry. Though I've heard that some of the MD residents have been venturing south for some crime, so I probably should.

    -Kotyaer

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    I'll bet that one-way U-Haul truck rentals do a brisk business there. Not a place I would live, much less visit.

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