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    Maybe a little off topic, however.. Obstruction?

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911...-cop-to-f-off/

    However, people will be arrested if their actions hinder or delays an officer or deputy from doing their job, he said. Obstructing an officer is a gross misdemeanor. Here’s the definition from the Revised Code of Washington.
    Hmmmm..

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    Instead of using profanity, issue a cordial invitation to the fine, upstanding officer to go attempt a physiologically impossible act of self-impregnation. Then go on your way. By the time he/she finally figures out what you actually said, you'll be long gone!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    I am no fan of cops and their misuse of these laws, but I draw a blank trying to relate this to Washington OC? Can ya help me out?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I am no fan of cops and their misuse of these laws, but I draw a blank trying to relate this to Washington OC? Can ya help me out?
    Lets say you refuse to ID, etc.. They get pissy and go the obstruction route. The comments from King County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart kind of bothered me in that respect. That he mentions you WILL be arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    Lets say you refuse to ID, etc.. They get pissy and go the obstruction route. The comments from King County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart kind of bothered me in that respect. That he mentions you WILL be arrested.
    I was threatened with that on my first OC encounter, my mistake was complying after much harassment and threats. I should have let him arrest me. In Washington as long as the officer had no PC or RAS, I believe it won't hold water. In a few other encounters I have learned to simply refuse, it goes better for you. It doesn't stop them from labeling you as "uncooperative" in their reports though, which is a Brady violation.

    I get the connection now, was thought you were taking it in another direction for some odd reason. Thank you for the clarification.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Obstruction is not the same as non-cooperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I was threatened with that on my first OC encounter, my mistake was complying after much harassment and threats. I should have let him arrest me. In Washington as long as the officer had no PC or RAS, I believe it won't hold water. In a few other encounters I have learned to simply refuse, it goes better for you. It doesn't stop them from labeling you as "uncooperative" in their reports though, which is a Brady violation.

    I get the connection now, was thought you were taking it in another direction for some odd reason. Thank you for the clarification.
    I missed something, what did I violate? I didnt know the officer couldnt have a PC. Are they supposed to be using Mac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Obstruction is not the same as non-cooperation.
    I know that, but I have learned long ago that when you try to stand up for your constitutional rights, police have a litany of boiler plate words they use to try to paint you as a horrible person to the judge or possible jury. "Uncooperative" is one I have heard many times.

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    I missed something, what did I violate? I didnt know the officer couldnt have a PC. Are they supposed to be using Mac?

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    They often do and would like to be able to use MAC (Made up A Cause), but the damn courts have tied their hands to PC (probably cause).
    Last edited by sudden valley gunner; 08-03-2011 at 09:12 AM.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Remember: 'Cooperation' is cop speak for 'Capitulation'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phssthpok View Post
    Remember: 'Cooperation' is cop speak for 'Capitulation'.
    OR... Cooperation = Copulation as they bend you over asking you to give rights.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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