UnderratedF001
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Hi All,
New member here, but a long-time lurker.
As my first post, I thought I'd pass along an experience I had at the new Get Some Guns and Ammo location in Orem.
I was browsing a few guns, and I was working with one of the counter help who happened to be a LEO (current or former, I don't remember exactly what he said). An older gentleman with glasses, who I assumed was the manager of the store, came over to see how things were going, and I mentioned that I was looking to sell one of my Glocks on KSL to fund another purchase. He started raving about how much he loved KSL, and that how he purchased and sold handguns all the time via KSL (personal transactions only; not related to the store), and that he always looks for out-of-state buyers and sellers because they're willing to pay more and sell for less.
I mentioned to him how transferring a handgun to a private party across state lines was against Federal law, and he promptly raised his eyebrows, drop his glasses to the end of his nose, stared me down, and then proceeded to "educate me on the law". He ranted and raved for about 3 minutes, and even said "are you a a cop? Well, he is, and he says it's OK."
The LEO/Counter Help told me that Federal law said nothing about private transactions, and that it's totally legal to purchase a gun from an Idaho or Wyoming resident - he's even driven up to Boise several times to purchase handguns from private sellers. The older gentleman said, "That's just one of the myths out there. It's legal, and he's a cop." He also said he bought a revolver from a guy in Georgia once, and they met in Texas to do the sale.
Obviously, this information directly contradicts Federal law (specifically, 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30)
I quickly backed down from the conversation and promptly left the establishment -- I had just been made aware of a Federal felony. I have to be honest, it scares me a little that an FFL wouldn't even know the law... though, I suppose that's par for the course.
After the incident, I sent an email on their webpage (http://www.getsomeguns.com/) detailing the experience, and below is a response I received (approximately a week later):
"You dont happen to be from WY? Private sell is a touchy subject anyway. The ATF has never procecuted an individual who sold one to out of state. The only cases I have found are when the person sales them under malice and neglect and knowing that the gun was going to be used criminally. I always say follow these rules to cover ass; Do a bill of sale, make sure buyer is of age(include this verbage in bill of sale), make sure they are eligible to possess firearms(also include this verbage in bill of sale), and get copy of ID. If buyer wont cooperate, dont sell it. I will send you a couple if range passes. I ask that you give us another try, maybe start with an easier topic or something not so contreversial. Sorry about spelling, my fat fingers have issues typing on phone. Thanks again, Stuart"
So... the owner of Get Some Guns and Ammo is aware that a private transfer of a handgun across state lines (with no FFL interaction) is illegal, but he suggests "covering your ass" by documenting it. He might be right about the ATF never prosecuting anyone for a private transaction, but does that really matter? The law is the law, regardless of whether we agree with it or not.
I won't be going back to this place under any circumstances, and I just thought I'd pass on the info. Do with it what you will.
New member here, but a long-time lurker.
As my first post, I thought I'd pass along an experience I had at the new Get Some Guns and Ammo location in Orem.
I was browsing a few guns, and I was working with one of the counter help who happened to be a LEO (current or former, I don't remember exactly what he said). An older gentleman with glasses, who I assumed was the manager of the store, came over to see how things were going, and I mentioned that I was looking to sell one of my Glocks on KSL to fund another purchase. He started raving about how much he loved KSL, and that how he purchased and sold handguns all the time via KSL (personal transactions only; not related to the store), and that he always looks for out-of-state buyers and sellers because they're willing to pay more and sell for less.
I mentioned to him how transferring a handgun to a private party across state lines was against Federal law, and he promptly raised his eyebrows, drop his glasses to the end of his nose, stared me down, and then proceeded to "educate me on the law". He ranted and raved for about 3 minutes, and even said "are you a a cop? Well, he is, and he says it's OK."
The LEO/Counter Help told me that Federal law said nothing about private transactions, and that it's totally legal to purchase a gun from an Idaho or Wyoming resident - he's even driven up to Boise several times to purchase handguns from private sellers. The older gentleman said, "That's just one of the myths out there. It's legal, and he's a cop." He also said he bought a revolver from a guy in Georgia once, and they met in Texas to do the sale.
Obviously, this information directly contradicts Federal law (specifically, 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30)
I quickly backed down from the conversation and promptly left the establishment -- I had just been made aware of a Federal felony. I have to be honest, it scares me a little that an FFL wouldn't even know the law... though, I suppose that's par for the course.
After the incident, I sent an email on their webpage (http://www.getsomeguns.com/) detailing the experience, and below is a response I received (approximately a week later):
"You dont happen to be from WY? Private sell is a touchy subject anyway. The ATF has never procecuted an individual who sold one to out of state. The only cases I have found are when the person sales them under malice and neglect and knowing that the gun was going to be used criminally. I always say follow these rules to cover ass; Do a bill of sale, make sure buyer is of age(include this verbage in bill of sale), make sure they are eligible to possess firearms(also include this verbage in bill of sale), and get copy of ID. If buyer wont cooperate, dont sell it. I will send you a couple if range passes. I ask that you give us another try, maybe start with an easier topic or something not so contreversial. Sorry about spelling, my fat fingers have issues typing on phone. Thanks again, Stuart"
So... the owner of Get Some Guns and Ammo is aware that a private transfer of a handgun across state lines (with no FFL interaction) is illegal, but he suggests "covering your ass" by documenting it. He might be right about the ATF never prosecuting anyone for a private transaction, but does that really matter? The law is the law, regardless of whether we agree with it or not.
I won't be going back to this place under any circumstances, and I just thought I'd pass on the info. Do with it what you will.