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    I volunteer to serve on this firing squad. How about you?

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    Officials in the U.S. and 13 other countries have arrested 72 members of Dreamboard, "a self-described global 'community' of pedophiles dedicated to the relentless victimization and exploitation of children 12 and under." Fifty of them were also charged with being part of the enterprise.
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    hell. i would even use my own guns, pay for my own ammo and donate batteries for laser sights!!!!! i used to work for child safety 1st .org where we would troll yahoo chat rooms for hours, profiling, recording, gathering evidence and slamming these wastes of air into oblivion with the help of the FBI internet crimes units. i love watching these sick A-holes burn. make it legal. ill start hunting!
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    I voted no, simply because I could never trust a trial put on by our government.

    I would nullify any case brought upon a family person who killed a sick person like that though.

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    I don't know about the other countries, but the felons here in the US will be getting ass raped and beat up on a very regular basis, and that's if they don't get shanked. Death would be an easier out than the severe attacks from other inmates which this trash will face. The prison code of ethics does not look very kindly on adults who hurt children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Wow, only 5 years probation. That's awesome!
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    I would not go out of my way to kill anyone. Not even a worthless pedo. I used my weapons or any other for self defense only. I don't want kill any one if I don't have too. Period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYKevin View Post
    I would not go out of my way to kill anyone. Not even a worthless pedo. I used my weapons or any other for self defense only. I don't want kill any one if I don't have too. Period!
    Very well said! practice practice practice should you ever have to use it, but pray pray pray that the day never comes!

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    The bloodlust and uncontrolled anger/rage being exprressed are examples of the ammunition thast we freely hand over to our enemies so they can use it against us as "proof" that all gun owners are secretly wanting to go out and kill someone/something/anything just to satisfy that horrible urge that overcomes anybody who even looks at a firearm, let alone touches one or - heaven forbid - owns one!

    I have had the experience of knowing and dealing with, including delving inside the mind and thought processes, of perverts, sociopaths, and psychopaths who do these things. Not only is it not pretty, it is emotionally, mentally and physically sickening. And yes, prison inmates do not like these sorts of folks - for a number of reasons, not all pure and innocent - and will, if given the opportunity, inflict some very horrid injusies on them on the way to trying to kill them.

    But we are supposed to be "better" than prison inmates and the irrationally-thinking antis. That used to mean, at least in my way of thinking, having the ability to keep things like disgust and rage under some semblance of control. Some folks seem to have that ability, while some others are either lacking or willing to release control in order to find a way of expressing their disgust at what these folks are alleged to have done.

    I want to shout "Get a grip!" from the highest rooftop, but I pretty much know I'm just going to waste my breath. I'll be preaching to the choir and those who are not already able to control their emotions most likely will not see themselves as needing to. But, what the heck! I'll do it anyhow - it just might make me feel like I tried to do something, no matter how potentially futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    The bloodlust and uncontrolled anger/rage being exprressed are examples of the ammunition thast we freely hand over to our enemies so they can use it against us as "proof" that all gun owners are secretly wanting to go out and kill someone/something/anything just to satisfy that horrible urge that overcomes anybody who even looks at a firearm, let alone touches one or - heaven forbid - owns one!...
    Yeah. What skid said.

    Over the time that I have been here, the wackoness has increased geometrically. When I first joined, the level of rationality was refreshing. Now, it is rare, replaced by stuff that allows antis to paint 2A advocates as violent extremists. John and Mike, kudos for creating a great site. Shame on you for allowing it to descend into the gutter.

    On the topic of what should happen to these people: They should be tried and convicted. I hope they get the max punishment under the law.

    Back to the disgusting nature of this thread: We are no better than they if we are willing to break the law to achieve the personal gratification we seek.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Yeah. What skid said.

    Over the time that I have been here, the wackoness has increased geometrically. When I first joined, the level of rationality was refreshing. Now, it is rare, replaced by stuff that allows antis to paint 2A advocates as violent extremists. John and Mike, kudos for creating a great site. Shame on you for allowing it to descend into the gutter.

    On the topic of what should happen to these people: They should be tried and convicted. I hope they get the max punishment under the law.

    Back to the disgusting nature of this thread: We are no better than they if we are willing to break the law to achieve the personal gratification we seek.
    This just doesnt sit right with me!!
    They should be tried and JUDGED by a jury of their peers... Moving On!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    This just doesnt sit right with me!!
    They should be tried and JUDGED by a jury of their peers... Moving On!
    Agree with that. Now if found guilty General Population might have some views about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Instead of shooting them, how about putting them on a metal conveyor and feeding them feet first into a cremetory furnace at about one inch per minute?
    How does that sound?
    Guys read what skid wrote....

    While I agree that actions of these individuals are absolutely vile, sickening, and evil, comments like this aren't helpful. Like it or not (I don't) I don't think these horrific crimes qualify for the death penalty. Rather than make up punishments (as just as they may sound) that won't be enacted, let's talk about ways to prevent things like this in the future...and put our anger to good use.
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    "Back to the disgusting nature of this thread: We are no better than they if we are willing to break the law to achieve the personal gratification we seek."

    What moron suggested any of this involved breaking the law? This is the result of a multi-national sting. Firing squads are still allowed in some countries as a legal means of execution following a fair trial and appropriately-obtained conviction.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with blood-lust. It has to do with justice and avoiding spending millions of dollars of the taxpayers' money for each one of these toads to rot in jail for the rest of their lives. Furthermore, if anything, a firing squad is far more human than subjecting them to "prison justice."

    What I find disgusting in some of the responses is how quickly a couple of folks reacted with respect to twisting swift justice as called for by our own Constitution into something foul. It's this twisting and deceitfulness, combined with false and very much fabricated accusations of "break(ing) the law" that's as foul as the actions which landed these child porn perps in jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Rather than make up punishments (as just as they may sound) that won't be enacted, let's talk about ways to prevent things like this in the future.
    Good thinking. How about a little deterrence? Deterrence is, after all, half the justification behind capital punishment, is it not? Deterrence is most certainly part of the reason most of us open carry, with a clear message to others to do what's right or suffer injurious and potentially lethal consequences. I'm not a fan of capital punishment when the evidence isn't irrefutably clear. In this case, however, it's clear.
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    I did not apply the title of "moron" to the person who suggested breaking the law. The suggestion to break the law was yours. The assignment of the title "moron" was also yours.

    You wish to participate in a firing squad to kill these people. Considering that most have not been convicted and that those who have been weren't sentenced to death (let alone by firing squad), you are clearly advocating the illegal murder of these (unarguably vile) people.

    It is you who used the word "moron," not I. So, if you think that you are not a moron, your beef is with yourself, not me.

    Moving on.

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    Always a dilemma in cases such as this. Some react purely emotionally at the most heinous of crimes. Cut their balls off and let them bleed out, comes to mind. Others--a minority, try to be 'reasonable'--innocent until proven guilty, fair trial, only extremists react emotionally, "ammunition" (sic) for our anti-gun enemies, ad nauseum. Easy to be objective and reasoned--when it's not your child. I will say that if I sat on a jury where a father killed one of these "innocent until proven guilty" vermin, I would never convict him of anything. There are laws that over rule anything written by man. A situation like this brings them into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    The bloodlust and uncontrolled anger/rage being exprressed are examples of the ammunition thast we freely hand over to our enemies so they can use it against us as "proof" that all gun owners are secretly wanting to go out and kill someone/something/anything just to satisfy that horrible urge that overcomes anybody who even looks at a firearm, let alone touches one or - heaven forbid - owns one!

    I have had the experience of knowing and dealing with, including delving inside the mind and thought processes, of perverts, sociopaths, and psychopaths who do these things. Not only is it not pretty, it is emotionally, mentally and physically sickening. And yes, prison inmates do not like these sorts of folks - for a number of reasons, not all pure and innocent - and will, if given the opportunity, inflict some very horrid injusies on them on the way to trying to kill them.

    But we are supposed to be "better" than prison inmates and the irrationally-thinking antis. That used to mean, at least in my way of thinking, having the ability to keep things like disgust and rage under some semblance of control. Some folks seem to have that ability, while some others are either lacking or willing to release control in order to find a way of expressing their disgust at what these folks are alleged to have done.

    I want to shout "Get a grip!" from the highest rooftop, but I pretty much know I'm just going to waste my breath. I'll be preaching to the choir and those who are not already able to control their emotions most likely will not see themselves as needing to. But, what the heck! I'll do it anyhow - it just might make me feel like I tried to do something, no matter how potentially futile.

    "GET A GRIP, PEOPLE! This bloodlust is not helping our position."

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    It must be a great burden to be so pure of heart...and if it was your child?
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    The reason we have law is to act out of reason and not emotion. If it were my child, I'd want the perp dead. However, I'd want to be sure that the right person was killed and that it was done so under the properly applied law. And, for sure, I'd subordinate my selfish desires to the properly applied law. That law exists to protect us, not to exact vengeance. Were the law to protect vengeance, we are, none of us, safe from those who, correctly or incorrectly, see us as somehow having wronged them.

    Please don't imply that wanting to react out of reason is somehow less appropriate and that we cannot hold our ineffective emotions in check through the use of reason.

    The Greeks tell a story about how law came to be. The law finally put an end to the vengeance system, a system of endless violence, that preceded it. The title of that piece escapes me at the moment. Thanks to anyone who remembers it for me. It is an enlightening read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    The reason we have law is to act out of reason and not emotion. If it were my child, I'd want the perp dead. However, I'd want to be sure that the right person was killed and that it was done so under the properly applied law. And, for sure, I'd subordinate my selfish desires to the properly applied law. That law exists to protect us, not to exact vengeance. Were the law to protect vengeance, we are, none of us, safe from those who, correctly or incorrectly, see us as somehow having wronged them.

    Please don't imply that wanting to react out of reason is somehow less appropriate and that we cannot hold our ineffective emotions in check through the use of reason.

    The Greeks tell a story about how law came to be. The law finally put an end to the vengeance system, a system of endless violence, that preceded it. The title of that piece escapes me at the moment. Thanks to anyone who remembers it for me. It is an enlightening read.
    Not 'less appropriate'; merely a minority stance. Don't infer my condoning lynch mobs, because I don't and never will. But if substantial proof is available, substantial justice is called for. And that justice may well be rooted in law far older than anything in writing. It isn't vengeance; it is retribution.
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    Let's just hope that no one decides that you are in need of "retribution." No matter how wrong they are, you will still be dead if the law cannot stop it. Attitudes like those presented in this thread contribute to the law not being able to stop such "retribution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Always a dilemma in cases such as this. Some react purely emotionally at the most heinous of crimes. Cut their balls off and let them bleed out, comes to mind. Others--a minority, try to be 'reasonable'--innocent until proven guilty, fair trial, only extremists react emotionally, "ammunition" (sic) for our anti-gun enemies, ad nauseum. Easy to be objective and reasoned--when it's not your child. I will say that if I sat on a jury where a father killed one of these "innocent until proven guilty" vermin, I would never convict him of anything. There are laws that over rule anything written by man. A situation like this brings them into play.
    +1

    Would like to ad that what our law has morphed into, is not what was originally intended.

    And since Eye says he is christian than he must have studied the biblical principles that acknowledged the same things we have discussed here. Like the city of Refuges set up solely for the purpose that if you killed someone even accidently and didn't immediately run to one you didn't take human life seriously enough you could rightfully be killed, "why" because they recognize the human need and desire for "justice" and the powerful emotions involved. Something our courts try to take out of the justice system and insist everything needs to be black and white with no emotional attachments, totally skipping the reality of what people actually face. And why as a jury I would never convict a father/mother who might have gave in to the reasonable urges of justice when it comes to their child.

    (P.S. as a disclaimer though, I would also insist that the guilty party was absolutely guilty)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Let's just hope that no one decides that you are in need of "retribution." No matter how wrong they are, you will still be dead if the law cannot stop it. Attitudes like those presented in this thread contribute to the law not being able to stop such "retribution."
    As I would not be in this despicable situation, if for some other reason someone decided to attack me, I hope he has his affairs in order. I do not depend on "the law" to protect me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    Would like to ad that what our law has morphed into, is not what was originally intended.

    And since Eye says he is christian than he must have studied the biblical principles that acknowledged the same things we have discussed here. Like the city of Refuges set up solely for the purpose that if you killed someone even accidently and didn't immediately run to one you didn't take human life seriously enough you could rightfully be killed, "why" because they recognize the human need and desire for "justice" and the powerful emotions involved. Something our courts try to take out of the justice system and insist everything needs to be black and white with no emotional attachments, totally skipping the reality of what people actually face. And why as a jury I would never convict a father/mother who might have gave in to the reasonable urges of justice when it comes to their child.

    (P.S. as a disclaimer though, I would also insist that the guilty party was absolutely guilty)
    Well put.
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    *watches the point go winging by, uncaught*

    No matter. When I post a differing POV, I rarely expect to have any effect on the belief system of the person to whom I am posting. I am hoping that a little common sense and reason posted by me in response to emotional, ill-considered reactions will make one or two other posters pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    SNIP Over the time that I have been here, the wackoness has increased geometrically.
    The irony is killing me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    *watches the point go winging by, uncaught*

    No matter. When I post a differing POV, I rarely expect to have any effect on the belief system of the person to whom I am posting. I am hoping that a little common sense and reason posted by me in response to emotional, ill-considered reactions will make one or two other posters pause and reflect.
    Yes, that's it. The rest of us are just a bunch of thoughtless boobs awaiting Eye95's wisdom to make us pause and reflect--things we wouldn't or couldn't possibly have done without the beneficent wisdom he bestows on us.

    Jeezus, what ****ing arrogance.

    Was that another one of your carefully crafted posts, Eye95?

    I actually put a great deal of effort into crafting each and every post.
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