Virginia Tech on Lockdown After Reports of "Gunman" Near Campus

Repeater said:

Dude, where's my gun?

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I know him Repeater!
Can't think of his name.
Nice fellow....don't talk a lot

Even with their new "safety" procedures it still took them 28 minutes to issue a campus-wide alert. Somebody could do a lot of damage in that time they spent trying to confirm the report.

http://usat.ly/nVHYiK

thebigsd said:

Even with their new "safety" procedures it still took them 28 minutes to issue a campus-wide alert. Somebody could do a lot of damage in that time they spent trying to confirm the report.

http://usat.ly/nVHYiK

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Not that a text message is going to do jack to defend you against an active shooter, but it once again shows that the only one that can protect you, is you.

nova said:

Not that a text message is going to do jack to defend you against an active shooter, but it once again shows that the only one that can protect you, is you.

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Exactly, I agree 100%. 28 minutes to send a text message. 2.5 seconds to draw a handgun if the threat is real. Someone else pointed out that no one could even effectively search the campus for a threat due to its size. The only way to have a chance of keeping people safe is to let them defend themselves.

peter nap said:

I just thought Novacop needed a little publicity since he decided to come back as himself.
No offense intended to real people.

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Well, as long as it's only Novacop that we're bashing, I guess it's ok.

Skeptic said:

Saw a comment on the WTVR FB page saying it was probably a guy trying to hide his bong.

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I would give odds that this is what it was.

nova said:

Carry at public universities is not illegal. It may be against policy for students and employees, but it is not illegal.

As for GMU and VCU regs in the VAC, as of this past year due to the GMU lawsuit, it only applies to buildings and events. This was always the case for GMU, but apparently now also applies for VCU according to vcdl due to the ruling.

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What stops police from asking someone OC'ing on campus to leave and charge them with trespassing if they don't? Any relevant case law? Been having a discussion with someone and they keep saying it doesn't matter if it's not illegal, they can still ask you to leave and charge you with trespassing if you don't. I don't believe this to be the case, but I'm trying to find information to back it up.

hunter45 said:

Alright, which one of you were were OCing on the VT campus this morning?

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You beat me to it, exactly my thoughts. Here's a photo of me in VA Tech's Newman library next to a very sweet hydrogen peroxide rocket motor they have on the first floor. Note the .45 on my side. I've OCed a number of times with no issues even though I know I've been reported but the campus police did not respond. Not sure what the reception would be now.



Just to let you know. Liquid hydrogen peroxide (90%+ concentration) is fed into the motor on the left side at around 1200 psi. It enters the grey area which is a catalyst "wool". This causes the H2O2 to decompose into super heated steam and oxygen at around 1200 degrees F, red hot steam. It then enters the combustion chamber in the middle where jet fuel is injected into the stream. This spontaneously combusts exiting the convergent/divergent nozzle on the right, producing around 2000 pounds of thrust along with what I imagine is a huge flame and a HELL OF A LOT OF NOISE!!! I want to make one of these :^).

thebigsd said:

Exactly, I agree 100%. 28 minutes to send a text message. 2.5 seconds to draw a handgun if the threat is real. Someone else pointed out that no one could even effectively search the campus for a threat due to its size. The only way to have a chance of keeping people safe is to let them defend themselves.

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2.5 SECONDS!!? You need to work on that draw a bit :^). I can do a nice 4" double tap at 7 yards from the holster in less than 1.5 seconds :^). My understanding is that is fairly average. Otherwise I agree with your statement completely.

thebigsd said:

Even with their new "safety" procedures it still took them 28 minutes to issue a campus-wide alert. Somebody could do a lot of damage in that time they spent trying to confirm the report.

http://usat.ly/nVHYiK

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The Ft Hood shooter got off over 200 rounds in the first three minutes and had the same left in loaded magazines. Police arrived and engaged at the three minute mark. Active shooter situations for sheople are just targets, but could an armed citizens could be mistaken as a shooter if protecting self in a similar situation?

Ranger said:

but could an armed citizens could be mistaken as a shooter if protecting self in a similar situation?

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Yeah, but so what. If I have to risk being shot by a cop who assumes anyone with a gun must be a bad guy to potentially save the lives of several people, that's a risk I'm willing to take....

Roscoe

nova said:

Not that a text message is going to do jack to defend you against an active shooter, but it once again shows that the only one that can protect you, is you.

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You're supposed to hold up your cellphone and inform the 'active shooter' that you received the notification text and are now deemed "Off Limits".

nova said:

Carry at public universities is not illegal. It may be against policy for students and employees, but it is not illegal.

As for GMU and VCU regs in the VAC, as of this past year due to the GMU lawsuit, it only applies to buildings and events. This was always the case for GMU, but apparently now also applies for VCU according to vcdl due to the ruling.

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So ... perhaps there should be an OC "walkaround" on the VT campus...

Shovelhead said:

You're supposed to hold up your cellphone and inform the 'active shooter' that you received the notification text and are now deemed "Off Limits".

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Superior training!

mpg9999 said:

What stops police from asking someone OC'ing on campus to leave and charge them with trespassing if they don't? Any relevant case law? Been having a discussion with someone and they keep saying it doesn't matter if it's not illegal, they can still ask you to leave and charge you with trespassing if you don't. I don't believe this to be the case, but I'm trying to find information to back it up.

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Bump. Anyone have an answer?

roscoe13 said:

Yeah, but so what. If I have to risk being shot by a cop who assumes anyone with a gun must be a bad guy to potentially save the lives of several people, that's a risk I'm willing to take....

Roscoe

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Exactly, that's the choice one makes......