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    Seattle Starbuck's robbed by "Concealed" Carrier....

    Seattle police arrested a 29-year-old man suspected of robbing a Starbucks in the 13000 block of Aurora Avenue North on Wednesday evening.
    Police said the man, wearing a Seattle Mariners cap and carrying a folded newspaper robbed the coffee shop about 6 p.m. He gestured he had a weapon in his waistband, police said.
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    Dohh. For some reason when I read the title of the thread I had assumed it meant a person with a concealed pistol licence robbed a Starbucks.

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    I doubt that he was legal in his possesion of the firearm. I don't know of any resposible CPL holders that don't have a drawer full of holsters. No reason to carry it in your waistband. Cops got him so one less to worry about for now.

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    Interesting. The article implies he had a gun but doesn't actually say anything about the weapon or what it was/may have been. It doesn't even say police found a weapon on him. Either way, it's another bad guy off the streets.
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    The title of this thread is a bit misleading. "Concealed Carrier" draws my mind into thinking the robber had a CHL. In fact, the article had nothing to do with a concealed weapon, but a fake if anything. I guess the crook couldn't afford a 1911 and was waiting to upgrade after this heist.

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    He gestured he had a weapon in his waistband?

    What was this? A robbery by a mime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Seattle Starbuck's robbed by Concealed Carrier....LINK
    Talk about taking liberties, gogo I thought you would be one the last ones trying to divide 2 groups of legal carrying adults.
    Nothing in the article comments on any recovery of a weapon or a CPL.

    Must have been some dirt bag wearing a Seahawks Hat.
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    What they need to do is ban Seattle Mariners caps. Otherwise, this kind of thing is going to keep on happening, and somebody is going to get hurt.

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    this is why there always needs to be an open carrier at starbucks...
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    Regardless of whether or not he actually had a firearm his attempt in making the barista think he had one apparently succeeded. If convicted of armed robbery he will no longer be able to lawfully purchase/possess a firearm. Thats a good thing if you ask me as this guy is, imo, not someone who is mentally strong enough to be responsible with one.
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    I liked the comment by a reader of the article where he felt HE was robbed by Starbucks when he had to pay $5 for a cup of coffee.



    $5 per cup is approximately $80/gallon. And we all bitch about $4/gallon gas. And the Oil Companies have to pay a far more than the few cents/serving for their raw materials.
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    Need to change that thread title. It is extremely misleading as to the subject at hand. Criminals are hardly a "Concealed Carrier", they are illegally in possession of a weapon in this case.

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    I know what happened. Gogo left his computer with OCDO open and some anti he works with posted this to make him look bad, like I do with my buddies when they leave their Facebook open.

    I am sure it won't happen again
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    Quote Originally Posted by MedusaOblongata View Post
    What they need to do is ban Seattle Mariners caps. Otherwise, this kind of thing is going to keep on happening, and somebody is going to get hurt.
    Yep, that will stop the criminals.... another law for them to ignore..... Sarcasm response!

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    The thread title is correct. Criminals carry concealed this is evidence that criminals carry concealed or that criminals lie about even having a firearm. Too bad Deros and I weren't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    The thread title is correct. Criminals carry concealed this is evidence that criminals carry concealed or that criminals lie about even having a firearm. Too bad Deros and I weren't there.
    Law abiding citizens carry concealed as well, lets not group the two elements together and not all criminals carry concealed look at the latest shooting on a Philadelphia city bus, they were open carrying coming up to the bus and opened fire.

    Why split hairs, the title for this thread is for shock value.
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    Let me ask you guys something, say you're sitting in a coffee shop or restaurant armed, either open or concealed, and a robber is at the counter demanding the money. He claims to have a firearm but you do not see it. Do you draw and confront to try to stop him? What would you do? Let's say he gets some cash and quickly proceeds towards the door, you still do not see a weapon and he's content to get out of there and flee. Does this change what you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike View Post
    Let me ask you guys something, say you're sitting in a coffee shop or restaurant armed, either open or concealed, and a robber is at the counter demanding the money. He claims to have a firearm but you do not see it. Do you draw and confront to try to stop him? What would you do? Let's say he gets some cash and quickly proceeds towards the door, you still do not see a weapon and he's content to get out of there and flee. Does this change what you do?
    I may or may not take action, all depends upon too many variables to adequately consider for YOUR hypothetical query. Even electing to do nothing is a DECISION!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike View Post
    Let me ask you guys something, say you're sitting in a coffee shop or restaurant armed, either open or concealed, and a robber is at the counter demanding the money. He claims to have a firearm but you do not see it. Do you draw and confront to try to stop him? What would you do? Let's say he gets some cash and quickly proceeds towards the door, you still do not see a weapon and he's content to get out of there and flee. Does this change what you do?
    The coffee shop or restaurant should have insurance for the theft so as long as he is only taking money and walking out the door I would do nothing to stop him. I dont feel that starting a gun fight in a crowded place over a little money is a good idea. On the other hand if he is getting violant fires a round off or looks like he is going to actually hurt someone he/she going to have a very bad day if I am present. If he directly threatens me or my loved ones his bad day will arrive at something over the speed of sound.

    Joe is correct there are too many variables to give you a firm answer, every situation will be different, are there people behind the robber, are you close enough, are there people between you and the bad guy/gal, is law enforcement coming in the door and it goes on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    The thread title is correct. Criminals carry concealed this is evidence that criminals carry concealed or that criminals lie about even having a firearm. Too bad Deros and I weren't there.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Law abiding citizens carry concealed as well, lets not group the two elements together and not all criminals carry concealed look at the latest shooting on a Philadelphia city bus, they were open carrying coming up to the bus and opened fire.

    Why split hairs, the title for this thread is for shock value.
    Maybe because many of those who insist on carrying concealed whether licensed or for malicious purposes do it for the same misguided reason of "tactical advantage".

    I have no problem with the post it followed the forum's guidelines to write it like a newspaper headline. It drew us in to read the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket
    If convicted of armed robbery he will no longer be able to lawfully purchase/possess a firearm. Thats a good thing if you ask me as this guy is, imo, not someone who is mentally strong enough to be responsible with one.
    And that will stop him from having one how, exactly??
    He wasn't able lawfully to force the clerk to hand over money, yet he did it anyway.
    Laws don't stop crime.
    They can only punish someone after he breaks a law & is caught.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike
    a robber is at the counter demanding the money. He claims to have a firearm but you do not see it. Do you draw and confront to try to stop him? What would you do? Let's say he gets some cash and quickly proceeds towards the door, you still do not see a weapon and he's content to get out of there and flee.
    Unless he shows a weapon, I be a good little witness - get a description the best I can.

    If he does seem able & willing to do harm, then the evaluating of "where will the bullet go if it misses?" starts happening.

    If I can stop him from harming the clerk (or someone else) without me harming someone or being harmed myself, I'd likely shoot to stop him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Maybe because many of those who insist on carrying concealed whether licensed or for malicious purposes do it for the same misguided reason of "tactical advantage".

    I have no problem with the post it followed the forum's guidelines to write it like a newspaper headline. It drew us in to read the story.
    Here is the same old argument that still cannot be proven a "tactical advantage" for one type of carry is better then the other, when in reality it depends upon the person, health, abilities, choice and we could go on.

    It has been discussed before about issues of those who concealed carry look poorly upon those that open carry and vice versa, I think it is more about ones ego then anything.

    Newspaper Headlines!, many con and pro groups use this tactic to entice readers just to promote ones agenda and is misleading to say the least.
    For example, the Philadelphia bus shooting could have read, (A) Open Carriers or (B) Concealed Carriers Shot Up Bus! While both would be somewhat correct, do we really want to associate legal carry in a negative concatenation as this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike View Post
    Let me ask you guys something, say you're sitting in a coffee shop or restaurant armed, either open or concealed, and a robber is at the counter demanding the money. He claims to have a firearm but you do not see it. Do you draw and confront to try to stop him? What would you do? Let's say he gets some cash and quickly proceeds towards the door, you still do not see a weapon and he's content to get out of there and flee. Does this change what you do?
    I would just walk up behind him and tell him that what he is doing is against the law so that he will stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Here is the same old argument that still cannot be proven a "tactical advantage" for one type of carry is better then the other, when in reality it depends upon the person, health, abilities, choice and we could go on.

    It has been discussed before about issues of those who concealed carry look poorly upon those that open carry and vice versa, I think it is more about ones ego then anything.

    Newspaper Headlines!, many con and pro groups use this tactic to entice readers just to promote ones agenda and is misleading to say the least.
    For example, the Philadelphia bus shooting could have read, (A) Open Carriers or (B) Concealed Carriers Shot Up Bus! While both would be somewhat correct, do we really want to associate legal carry in a negative concatenation as this?
    I am with you on your post and I am for "constitutional" carry (with no need to permit our right). But I have had more than one CC guy tell me they want the "tactical advantage", even Alan Gottlieb from SAF said it on National TV.

    One guy told me and I quote "I can't wait until someone tries to "F" with me".

    And then there are others who for the very reasons you mentioned carry concealed, actually ended up sitting outside Barkley Starbucks having a great discussion with a CC guy yesterday for about an hr. before work. I have no beef with any of them. Even though I find the idea of "tactical" advantage a little disturbing, I still don't care, as long as they only use it justifiably.
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