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    Oregon State Fair

    Anyone here interested in getting a small group together and OC-ing at the OSF this year. Maybe on the first day the 26th?

    I also would plan to get some experienced individuals together and we can have a meet up elsewhere before to talk to others who might not be as experienced in Oregon law and the relevant cases and OAR of the Oregon State Fair.
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    If I were either closer or not in school full time I'd be game. Unfortunately, shoving 11 weeks of course material (that used to be 25% lighter) into an 8 week class is MURDER on us students.
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    Well if you change your mind let us know bud! Would also be neat to do this just to hangout with some others who are on this forum.

    What do some of you think though, should OC start before the gate or CC through the gate then OC. I personally was thinking at the gate but then we can expect some fun a the likely hood of OSP being called. I am glad most troopers are squared away and decently good guys who actually tend to know the state laws.

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    I'd be down for this. I don't exactly recall the dates, but I am sure I can make some time too either way.

    I am not totally sure myself about carrying OC through the gate, but given what the general goals of OC are, I would lean towards OC through the gate and see if there are problems at all. Unless there is a better reason to CC in through the gate, to later OC inside.. I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    I'd be down for this. I don't exactly recall the dates, but I am sure I can make some time too either way.

    I am not totally sure myself about carrying OC through the gate, but given what the general goals of OC are, I would lean towards OC through the gate and see if there are problems at all. Unless there is a better reason to CC in through the gate, to later OC inside.. I dunno.
    Well if we attempt at the gate they cannot bar us from entry. However it would likely result in quick attention instead of attention after we enter. We could always try going in CC, get a stamp for reentry, and then walk around OC. Then we could exit and reenter a gate OC.

    Anyway I am going to go ahead and confirm a date for the 26th, the first day. Any ideas on times? I think we could look at having that get together before the fair over lunch. I also know a great place downtown which supports Open Carry. I use to know the former owner very well and the new owners know me well to. The place is La Perla and is located in the Reed Opera House downtown Salem on Court and Liberty.
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    I'm interested in participating. Any time works for me, I might pack a lunch so I don't have to buy expensive fair food. OC through the gate would be my first attempt, to test the waters.

    Edit: If it's decided, la perla works for me as well.
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    Try reading this thread. It was covered a few years ago:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...gon-State-Fair

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    My conclusion based on that thread and OAR is one needs a CHL to carry on the fairgrounds...

    Correct me if I am wrong..


    736-201-0060

    Items Prohibited on Property

    (1) The following items are prohibited on OSFD property unless specifically authorized in this rule:

    (a) Bicycles, skateboards, roller blades, scooters;

    (b) Unauthorized vehicles;

    (c) Unauthorized animals, reptiles, insects, arachnids and other pets;

    (d) Weapons;

    (e) Fireworks, explosives or explosive devices, and inflammables;

    (f) Alcohol or alcoholic beverages;

    (g) Controlled substances;

    (h) Any other object or objects which in the opinion of the Director or his/her designee may affect the safety and well-being of persons attending events on OSFD property; or

    (i) Destructive Device.

    (2) Exceptions to the above prohibitions are limited to:

    (a) Weapons of law enforcement officials and those carried by persons authorized by law to carry them when carried in a manner authorized by law;

    (b) Alcoholic beverages and alcoholic beverage containers belonging to OPRD, licensed concessionaires or catering services contracting with OPRD;

    (c) Prohibited items that have been permitted by OPRD by virtue of a signed agreement;

    (d) Fireworks in the custody of any group operating or presenting an officially sanctioned fireworks display;

    (e) Bicycles, skateboards, roller blades, scooters are permitted on the property outside the fenced areas unless they apart of an OSFD approved Event or display;

    (f) Prescription Medications in the possession of the prescription and its licensees and contractors that are required in the performance of their official duties.

    (g) Employees of OPRD and its licensees, contractors and agents may not carry personal prohibited items that are not necessary for the performance of their official duties;

    (h) Prohibited items in the possession of Exhibitors that are necessary for daily care or preparation of animals and for showing and are used only for preparation and showing purposes; and

    (i) Such prohibited items expressly permitted in writing by the Director or the Director's designee.

    Stat. Auth.: ORS 565.060 [Amended by 1977 c.55 sec. 18; 2005 c.777 sec. 25]
    Stats. Implemented: ORS 565
    Hist.: PRD 5-2007, f. 5-15-07, cert. ef. 7-1-07
    http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/...6/736_201.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbait View Post
    My conclusion based on that thread and OAR is one needs a CHL to carry on the fairgrounds...

    Correct me if I am wrong..

    http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/rules/...6/736_201.html
    I would say that you are wrong (on the legality) but a they may interpret the OAR as requiring a CHL...HOWEVER.....

    Only the LEGISLATURE may regulate firearms unless EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED by the ORS.....ORS not OAR....The Oregon State fair is NOT listed as a "public building" and therefore is a "public place". The OAR cannot supreced the ORS (see ORS 166.170) so anyone not prohibited from owning a firearm is therefore "authorized by law" to carry.

    Now how will they interpret the law at the State Fair? Who knows but if they are wrong then they need to be educated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    I would say that you are wrong (on the legality) but a they may interpret the OAR as requiring a CHL...HOWEVER.....

    Only the LEGISLATURE may regulate firearms unless EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED by the ORS.....ORS not OAR....The Oregon State fair is NOT listed as a "public building" and therefore is a "public place". The OAR cannot supreced the ORS (see ORS 166.170) so anyone not prohibited from owning a firearm is therefore "authorized by law" to carry.

    Now how will they interpret the law at the State Fair? Who knows but if they are wrong then they need to be educated.

    It's the wording that has made me confused. I shouldn't be posting until my mind clears.

    Anyways,

    Reading section (a), the way I am understanding it is, they are not prohibiting firearms for those authorized to carry, but the the part "carried in a manner authorized by law" could mean CC, since OC is not specially "authorized by law"

    I'm probably just over thinking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbait View Post
    It's the wording that has made me confused. I shouldn't be posting until my mind clears.

    Anyways,

    Reading section (a), the way I am understanding it is, they are not prohibiting firearms for those authorized to carry, but the the part "carried in a manner authorized by law" could mean CC, since OC is not specially "authorized by law"

    I'm probably just over thinking
    And that is probably the angle they would take if they were to try to ban firearms although 166.170 specifically states that they can't do that. Per 166.170 NO political subdivision of the state man regulate firearms (possession, transport, etc....) without EXPRESS authorization of the legislature (which would mean a published ORS). OAR's are not from teh legislature.

    Then in 166.173 the legislature specifically authorizes cities and counties to regulate the carry of loaded firearms but also states that anyone with a CHL is exempt from such restrictions.

    The Oregon state fair cannot regulate firearms whether it's in the OARs of not. NOW, if the fair is held within a county or city that happens to have a loaded firearms restriction, then that city/county restriction would apply but again, that could only restrict the carry of loaded firearms by non CHL holders. Those with CHL's could lawfully carry (openly or concealed) a loaded weapon and those without a CHL could carry unloaded and openly.

    Bottom line, the OAR's, in their attempt to regulate firearms, are void per ORS 166.170.
    Any restrictions not in the ORS, other than a city or county prohibition on carry of loaded firearms by non CHL holders, is VOID per ORS 166.170.
    OAR's attempting to regulate firearms are not enforceable.

    However, none of that means that a jurisdiction that doesn't care about violating the laws of the state, under color of authority, can't unlawfully harass, intimidate, coerce, detain, arrest, etc. They have the cops, the jails, the prosecutors, and the judges on "their side".....They can ruin your day. That's why so many of us carry audio and or video recorders...because it's amazing what things can stragely appear in a report...or not make it into a report...and we need an indisputable record of what exactly happened when some entity decides they don't care about the law and ethics.

    Be careful out there.
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    I guess I'm a little mellower in my middle age that some here. I don't see why you'd want to OC at the State Fair. If you have a CHL, just conceal your weapon, enjoy the fair, and stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbar View Post
    I guess I'm a little mellower in my middle age that some here. I don't see why you'd want to OC at the State Fair. If you have a CHL, just conceal your weapon, enjoy the fair, and stay safe.
    OC is so much more comfortable than CC. Especially for those of us who carry a full size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbar View Post
    I guess I'm a little mellower in my middle age that some here. I don't see why you'd want to OC at the State Fair. If you have a CHL, just conceal your weapon, enjoy the fair, and stay safe.
    Why would open carry be the non-mellow option? Carrying a firearm is carrying a firearm as far as I'm concerned. Placing woven plant fibers between the firearm and one's eyes doesn't change much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    OC is so much more comfortable than CC. Especially for those of us who carry a full size.
    some of us bigger guys can conceal full size, but in a state like we have, with the laws that give us the option, i agree... i prefer to oc .... so i do. and it is more comfortable. no reason to wear a cover shirt.

    let the people who oppose it fight to take away the option, i will not surrender my right so they will not be offended.

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    And what's this middle aged crap BigToe? I'm 50 and there isn't a mellow bone in my body when it comes to what's right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by We-the-People View Post
    And what's this middle aged crap BigToe? I'm 50 and there isn't a mellow bone in my body when it comes to what's right.
    I never said I was middle aged. Also, you're 50? I thought you were 30 at the most.

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    i can attest to the fact that WTP is well over 30. i am the middle aged mellow guy at 48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbar View Post
    I guess I'm a little mellower in my middle age that some here. I don't see why you'd want to OC at the State Fair. If you have a CHL, just conceal your weapon, enjoy the fair, and stay safe.
    Perhaps I should not wear my Cross to the fair either, why would anyone, I usually prefer to hide my religion.

    I also, will keep quite and all of my opinion to myself, I would rather be mellow and not share any views that I have.

    I will make sure I wear just a simple white t-shirt so as not to offend anyone with any political statements on my shirt.

    Instead of reading the newspaper in public at the fair, I will do so in private and keep it concealed as well.

    What other god given rights should I hide? Should I hide my relationship with my significant other? Should I hide my skin color?

    What does age have to do with being open and honest about who I am, and having no issues with a firearm in the open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    I never said I was middle aged. Also, you're 50? I thought you were 30 at the most.
    Yup the big FIVE OH. As of August 3rd. Be hard to be 30 or under with 18 years in the Marines. We are required by the laws of nature to get older, we are not required by those same laws to act old. My last girlfriend was 32 though....17 years my junior....SMILE
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    You do know that this forum is OpenCarry.org, don't you? It's about the open carry of firearms.
    An sum'un us jest plain dernt like beeun sneaky bast**#ds and hiding such downright awful dangerous thangs about us as guns and such. That's whut dem durn gang bangin types do and wur not wantun ta look like them!
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    Has anyone designated a meeting area for before time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    Has anyone designated a meeting area for before time?
    I sent a pm to historyman to get him to check the thread and get more information to us. I don't frequent Salem so I don't know any places.

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    Whoa there

    I think you guys are heading into a situation that is gonna deliver quite a bit of bad press. You are going to openly violate city "law"(yes like it or not salem has a ban on OC). And then you are going to probably have to "sneak" weapons into the fair to get past the gate. This is a huge event over loaded with LEO's. What good do you see coming out of this? Your faces plastered on the portland news? News paper headlines about a bunch of "gun nuts" trying to prove a point? While i agree with you in principle your method on this one is a bit lacking. We need to exercise our legal rights i agree, but violating city law is violating city law and thats not what we should be about. . That needs to be challenged in court not at the fair. Our best weapon in this fight is that we are law abiding citizens. The potential for this to go wrong is way to high. I wish you all luck but i wont go near this one at all.

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    Salem has a loaded firearm ordinance for loaded OC without a permit. Unloaded is allowed. Loaded with a CHL is ALLOWED. I fail to see where we will be violating the cities ordinances...

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