We-the-People
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An sum'un us jest plain dernt like beeun sneaky bast**#ds and hiding such downright awful dangerous thangs about us as guns and such. That's whut dem durn gang bangin types do and wur not wantun ta look like them!
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Oregon State Fair
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An sum'un us jest plain dernt like beeun sneaky bast**#ds and hiding such downright awful dangerous thangs about us as guns and such. That's whut dem durn gang bangin types do and wur not wantun ta look like them!
VW_Factor
Regular Member
Has anyone designated a meeting area for before time?
I sent a pm to historyman to get him to check the thread and get more information to us. I don't frequent Salem so I don't know any places.
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Whoa there
I think you guys are heading into a situation that is gonna deliver quite a bit of bad press. You are going to openly violate city "law"(yes like it or not salem has a ban on OC). And then you are going to probably have to "sneak" weapons into the fair to get past the gate. This is a huge event over loaded with LEO's. What good do you see coming out of this? Your faces plastered on the portland news? News paper headlines about a bunch of "gun nuts" trying to prove a point? While i agree with you in principle your method on this one is a bit lacking. We need to exercise our legal rights i agree, but violating city law is violating city law and thats not what we should be about. . That needs to be challenged in court not at the fair. Our best weapon in this fight is that we are law abiding citizens. The potential for this to go wrong is way to high. I wish you all luck but i wont go near this one at all.
I think you guys are heading into a situation that is gonna deliver quite a bit of bad press. You are going to openly violate city "law"(yes like it or not salem has a ban on OC). And then you are going to probably have to "sneak" weapons into the fair to get past the gate. This is a huge event over loaded with LEO's. What good do you see coming out of this? Your faces plastered on the portland news? News paper headlines about a bunch of "gun nuts" trying to prove a point? While i agree with you in principle your method on this one is a bit lacking. We need to exercise our legal rights i agree, but violating city law is violating city law and thats not what we should be about. . That needs to be challenged in court not at the fair. Our best weapon in this fight is that we are law abiding citizens. The potential for this to go wrong is way to high. I wish you all luck but i wont go near this one at all.
We-the-People
Regular Member
Salems anti-OC ordinance is VOID if it prohibits carry as the only thing they can regulate is the carry of LOADED firearms by non CHL holders. I think you will find that it only prohibits carry of loaded firearms and exempts CHL holders. See ORS 166.170 and 166.173 for the State LAW.
I myself have carried, locked and loaded, on the steps of the Capital in Salem. While a state police officer did observe me later when I was down on the grass, no contact was made.
We go by the LAW on this forum and we CITE the law when we make a claim about what it says. Plase CITE the Salem law that "bans OC" as you stated in your first ever post on OCDO.
We-the-People
Regular Member
I'm such a nice guy.....I went and got the Salem law as regards firearms. As you can see, unloaded without a CHL or loaded with a CHL, Salem does NOT prohbit OC. If they tried, to go further than the law they have on the books, ORS 166.173 would render it VOID.
Now, do we have a 1 post troll or just a noob that doesn't understand the laws yet?
95.095. Loaded Firearms.
...(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a loaded firearm, whether the shell or cartridge is a blank or is live ammunition,
........while in a public place as defined in ORS 161.015.
...(b) Nothing in subsection (a) shall apply to:
........(1) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.
........(2) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.
........(3) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
........(4) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building under ORS 166.370.
........(5) A government employee or contractor of the City of Salem engaged in flight safety hazard abatement to comply
.............with Chapter 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 139.337 at McNary Field. (Ord No. 29-96; Ord No. 54-05)
Now, do we have a 1 post troll or just a noob that doesn't understand the laws yet?
95.095. Loaded Firearms.
...(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a loaded firearm, whether the shell or cartridge is a blank or is live ammunition,
........while in a public place as defined in ORS 161.015.
...(b) Nothing in subsection (a) shall apply to:
........(1) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.
........(2) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.
........(3) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
........(4) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building under ORS 166.370.
........(5) A government employee or contractor of the City of Salem engaged in flight safety hazard abatement to comply
.............with Chapter 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 139.337 at McNary Field. (Ord No. 29-96; Ord No. 54-05)
Teddybearfrmhell
Regular Member
looks like ULOADED is fine and loaded with CHL is fine....hmmmmmm looks like 1 post was enough to get it wrong huh?
We-the-People
Regular Member
Well we shall see if 1 post becomes more and the individual was simply uninformed of the law...maybe they asked an LEO or gunstore?
On the other hand, could be a brady type or some other anti that is trying to cast doubts into the minds of OCers considering going.
On the other hand, could be a brady type or some other anti that is trying to cast doubts into the minds of OCers considering going.
2 post newb
So looks like those without thier CHL will be carrying paper weight in order to follow the law. Hope you can throw that gun hard! And so you know i am far from anything relating to brady or any of the other gun hating libs. I open carry daily. So adjust the meds and get that paranoia under control.
So looks like those without thier CHL will be carrying paper weight in order to follow the law. Hope you can throw that gun hard! And so you know i am far from anything relating to brady or any of the other gun hating libs. I open carry daily. So adjust the meds and get that paranoia under control.
They'll be able to carry full magazines and an unloaded firearm. If they keep their situational awareness about them then at least they'll have a better chance to protect their life than if they left their sidearm at home. Also by open carrying and being a normal person they'll be showing people that good guys carry guns.
Teddybearfrmhell
Regular Member
i am very pleased to know that you are not one of the liberal gun hating bradyites but rather just uninformed about the law that you were posting about and even less informed about the unloaded carry and its limitations. great job on your second post!
so what happens
have my tickets to the fair right here on the back of it "Conditions of accceptance: This ticket is a license and may be revoked and admission can be refused". So what are you all going to do when they ask you to leave? Just like any store you enter with open carry or concealed. If they ask you to leave and you dont they will call the police and have you trespassed then what? Again not saying not to try it but to me its sounding like a "pick your battles" situation. I know its on public property but they are going to treat it as a private event. I wish you all luck but i still see this ending badly for those involved. Whatever you all decide to do dont cause a scene that will do more harm to the cause than good. Again this is a huge event and what you are doing has the potential to cause a media stir that could back fire in an already way to liberal state. Its pretty obvious by our governor and state legislature who is in charge here so until we can clean out the state house we should be cautious on how we approach these issues.
have my tickets to the fair right here on the back of it "Conditions of accceptance: This ticket is a license and may be revoked and admission can be refused". So what are you all going to do when they ask you to leave? Just like any store you enter with open carry or concealed. If they ask you to leave and you dont they will call the police and have you trespassed then what? Again not saying not to try it but to me its sounding like a "pick your battles" situation. I know its on public property but they are going to treat it as a private event. I wish you all luck but i still see this ending badly for those involved. Whatever you all decide to do dont cause a scene that will do more harm to the cause than good. Again this is a huge event and what you are doing has the potential to cause a media stir that could back fire in an already way to liberal state. Its pretty obvious by our governor and state legislature who is in charge here so until we can clean out the state house we should be cautious on how we approach these issues.
Teddybearfrmhell
Regular Member
so now its going to end badly for entirely DIFFERENT reasons than your original post?
btw the state fair is held on public property and is managed by the state parks and recs dept..... looking like it is a public venue and their rules aint gonna fly if you have a CHL... nice try tho
VW_Factor
Regular Member
fail
For 1 thing im not talking about CHL! We are talking about open carry....nice try tho! Whoever open carries at this will be confronted by a leo. that will be gauranteed. Even you should be able to see that teddy. If you conceal carry no one will know anyway.
Teddybearfrmhell
Regular Member
if you have a chl NONE of the local laws against open carry apply to you... the chl is EXEMPT, so you can open carry with the chl....... nice try yourself!
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We-the-People
Regular Member
@ Dakaham
Here's a link to the ORS regarding firearms regulations in Oregon. I would suggest reading 166.170, 166.73, 166.250, 166.260 at a minimum.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html
The ONLY part of the Salem code that is different from ORS is tha they have chosen under 166.173 to prohibit loaded carry by non CHL holders. Since Oregon is a Shall Issue state, most of us have our CHL's for the added benefit of being able to ignore such local regulations.
As Tedde stated, Oregon State Fair is a public venue.
As it is operated by a politcal subdivision of the state, they can not restrict firearms like a private venue could.
As for conact by an LEO, since it is not unlawful to carry and Salem regulations do not grant authority to do a "load condition check" they would have no RAS to detain an individual. Any contact would therfore have to be under "consensual" conditions and ID is not required, nor is consenting to the contact.
It's really quite simple. This is OREGON, OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL.
Here's a link to the ORS regarding firearms regulations in Oregon. I would suggest reading 166.170, 166.73, 166.250, 166.260 at a minimum.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html
The ONLY part of the Salem code that is different from ORS is tha they have chosen under 166.173 to prohibit loaded carry by non CHL holders. Since Oregon is a Shall Issue state, most of us have our CHL's for the added benefit of being able to ignore such local regulations.
As Tedde stated, Oregon State Fair is a public venue.
As it is operated by a politcal subdivision of the state, they can not restrict firearms like a private venue could.
As for conact by an LEO, since it is not unlawful to carry and Salem regulations do not grant authority to do a "load condition check" they would have no RAS to detain an individual. Any contact would therfore have to be under "consensual" conditions and ID is not required, nor is consenting to the contact.
It's really quite simple. This is OREGON, OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL.
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I haven't heard back from historyman but I would still like to make this event happen. I suggest we meet up at Starbucks, 1134 Lancaster Drive NE, Salem, OR 97301
http://m.google.com/u/m/AWLibN ....
On Friday (26th) around 11:30ish have a cup of coffee(or tea) and discuss the game plan eventually heading to the fair grounds. Bring the family so they can enjoy the fair activities
Edit: pm or reply if you are able to make it
http://m.google.com/u/m/AWLibN ....
On Friday (26th) around 11:30ish have a cup of coffee(or tea) and discuss the game plan eventually heading to the fair grounds. Bring the family so they can enjoy the fair activities
Edit: pm or reply if you are able to make it
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