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bigtoe416 said:

I don't see that part that says people employed as "uniformed security guards" actually have to be uniformed in order to be exempt from 12031. My understanding is that when you are working as a security guard, you must wear a uniform to qualify for this exemption, but that's the extent of the uniform discussion.

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I think what you're saying is that for it to require the uniform it should explicitly say so? I can see that maybe flying as a defense...but my gut says no.

In other words, are you a Uniformed Security Guard if you aren't in uniform?

I take it to mean that just plain "security guards" that don't wear uniforms at work couldn't be exempt from 12031. A body guard or a loss-prevention worker, for example, could possibly be classified as a security guard, but he would not be a uniformed security guard. I see your logic though, I just think the author of the law would have explicitly stated that the guard would have to be in the uniform he would wear at his work. Otherwise I could be employed as a body guard (a non-uniformed "security" guard), and throw on a some gag uniform and magically have new powers under the law.

Also interesting to note that the line about going to and from ranges doesn't include the word "uniform" in it, "and security guards and alarm agents en route to or from their residences or employer-required range training." Are the guards not required to wear their uniform when going to the range then?

So, I will toss out this question. Suppose John Citizen has a shirt made with "security" on the back and a ball cap with "security" on it. He UOC's at the local Starbucks. Would he be in violation of any law, even though he doesn't work for a security company?

Gundude said:

So, I will toss out this question. Suppose John Citizen has a shirt made with "security" on the back and a ball cap with "security" on it. He UOC's at the local Starbucks. Would he be in violation of any law, even though he doesn't work for a security company?

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I don't believe so. There's no penal code on "impersonating a security officer", and he's unloaded so he's within the law.