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    Eric Cantor solicits your advice

    Congressman Cantor is holding yet another 'Advisory Council Meeting' for his adoring constituents -- this time in Chesterfield County, at the Holiday Inn Koger Center Conference Center, on Wednesday, August 31, 2011, beginning at 5:30PM.

    No doubt Linwood Cobb and possibly Ray Allen will be there.

    Will he consider advice on how discrimination against open carry, concealed carry, and self-defense in general, at places like his Roundup event hurts Virginia gun owners, and himself, too?

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    I have no idea if he will or not. But I'm putting the event on my calendar so that I can go there and try to ask the question.

    But we need to remember, it is not Congresscritter Cantor that is directly responsible for our not being allowed to carry for defense of self and family at The Republican Roundup. It is an event sponsored by the 7th District Republican Committee for the purpose of raising funds for their candidate, and they continue to contract with Snag-a-Job Pavillion, a plot of private property which has a no-firearms policy.

    So the question needs to be properly phrased. I'm thinking it ought to be along the lines of:

    "Why do you continue to accept money from an organization that deliberately refuses to allow citizens to exercise the natural right of self defense? And why do you continue to do that when you have been made aware of the situation over several terms and re-election campaigns? And why do you continue to do that when alternative sites have been identified to you and the 7th District Republican Committee where no such prohibition would be imposed and meet all of the stated criteria of the 7th District Republican Committee for the location of The Republican Roundup?"

    Anybody else who wants to copy that down on a 3x5 (or larger) card and have it available to read and/or submit as a written question is hereby granted permission to do so. The only stipulation is that you do not attempt to make money from it without giving me a royalty payment we will negotiate in some other venue than OCDO.

    For the record, here are the sites that were identified to VCDL when the first protest of The Republican Roundup at Snag-a-Job Pavillion was being planned (notice that I leave off Chesterfield County Fairgrounds because of the parking issue):

    Field Day of the Past - Goochland County
    Greyhaven Winery - Goochland
    Henricus Historical Park
    Chester Green
    Science Museum of Virginia
    Showplace
    Richmond International Raceway
    St. Joseph's Villa (questionable about ABC license)
    Knights of Columbus meeting site - Gayton Rd.
    Powhatan County Fair Grounds
    Goochland County Fair Grounds
    Henrico County Fairgrounds
    Henrico County Parks - several are ABC-license eligible
    Deep Run Hunt Club - needs a member to sponsor rental application
    Dale Ruritan Club - Chippenham Parkway & Rt 10 in Chesterfield Co.

    The above list took me less than 15 minutes of work to confirm ABC license could be obtained and that there had been past events that included "kiddie carnival" equipment set up for at least one event in the past 3 years.

    If I had gone to the Greater Richmond Convention Center (another possibility but no "kiddie carnival" events so left off) and Visitors Bureau I'm sure they could have given me about half a dozen more sites.
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    I understand this is a gun forum, but asking Cantor about gun rights is a little like meeting Pol Pot and asking him about a scandal surrounding his concubine.

    I humbly submit for y'alls consideration some questions guaranteed to put almost any politician off his game (of BSing his victims):

    http://www.gunlaws.com/the%20liberty%20poll.htm

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    If I lived in the 7th District I would not vote for Cantor. Many of the locations Skidmark listed are not in the 7th District and I suspect the 7th District GOP made their choice of Snag a Job based on that issue and that issue alone. It is sort of like these breakfasts and dinners you guys have. You never have any in the city because you apparently do not support the city in any way shape of fashion. I went out and found at least a half a dozen locations that seat up to several dozen people and no one responded to my list of locations. You don't practice what you preach, so why should the 7th District GOP spend their money out side of the district?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    If I lived in the 7th District I would not vote for Cantor. Many of the locations Skidmark listed are not in the 7th District and I suspect the 7th District GOP made their choice of Snag a Job based on that issue and that issue alone. It is sort of like these breakfasts and dinners you guys have. You never have any in the city because you apparently do not support the city in any way shape of fashion. I went out and found at least a half a dozen locations that seat up to several dozen people and no one responded to my list of locations. You don't practice what you preach, so why should the 7th District GOP spend their money out side of the district?
    We DO practice what we preach. You want a dinner in the City of Richmond? Set one up, post it and those that wish to attend will do so. It is really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    We DO practice what we preach. You want a dinner in the City of Richmond? Set one up, post it and those that wish to attend will do so. It is really that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    We DO practice what we preach. You want a dinner in the City of Richmond? Set one up, post it and those that wish to attend will do so. It is really that simple.
    We do meet there on occasion Grape. Remember the diner where the young lady was showing me where she carried her knife
    Coulda hid a Bowie between those

    Anyway....back to Skidmarks idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Remember the diner where the young lady was showing me where she carried her knife
    Coulda hid a Bowie between those
    I'm asking for a cite. Or at least a pic.... (a video would be acceptable too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    I'm asking for a cite. Or at least a pic.... (a video would be acceptable too)

    "Bowie Knife"

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    LOL! Too funny. The old saying 'be careful of what you ask' comes to mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    LOL! Too funny. The old saying 'be careful of what you ask' comes to mind...
    3rd Street Diner
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

    All I asked was "Where do you hide that thing again?

    So anyway Kenny, we do have dinners there sometimes. Never had any problems except that fellow that kept yelling "Get out of my house" when I sat down on a bench.

    NOW, back to Cantor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    If I lived in the 7th District I would not vote for Cantor. Many of the locations Skidmark listed are not in the 7th District and I suspect the 7th District GOP made their choice of Snag a Job based on that issue and that issue alone. snipped as not relevant , so why should the 7th District GOP spend their money out side of the district?
    And yet, many of the venues are within the 7th District, and are slightly more central than Snag-a-Job. And I'm confident that if I had spent more than 15 minutes doing a basic Google search for "Richmond metro area" I could have found sites much more centrally located within the 7th District.

    But that's not the point, because if Congrescritter Cantor actually cared about the issue he would have discussed it with the 7th District Committee and told them he could not acccept money raised by them because of the firearms prohibition issue. Since he has repeatedly been informed of the issue and continues to accept money from the 7th District's Republican Roundup it appears the issue is not important to him. And that's what this is all about - making public the fact that 1) the issue is not important to Cantor, and 2) the event could have been held at a location (well within the 7th District) that does not prohibit defense of self and family if he felt the issue was important.

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    I bet you'd never see a Democrat in national leadership attending a fund-raiser at a pro-life Crisis Pregnancy center.

    I bet you'd never see Cantor attending a fund-raiser at a Planned Parenthood facility either.

    Yet he doesn't have any problem whatsoever with an anti-gun venue.

    There is a certain amount of significance to these observations.

    I'm just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    I bet you'd never see a Democrat in national leadership attending a fund-raiser at a pro-life Crisis Pregnancy center.

    I bet you'd never see Cantor attending a fund-raiser at a Planned Parenthood facility either.

    Yet he doesn't have any problem whatsoever with an anti-gun venue.

    There is a certain amount of significance to these observations.

    I'm just saying...

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    A LOT of significance, me thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    A LOT of significance, me thinks.
    Which can all be summed up in, "I'm a politician more interested in power and myself than what is good for the Commonwealth and US."

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    Well, what it tells me is that Second Amendment issues are pretty far down on the list of platform items for the national Republican party.

    I think we need to go on a RINO hunt... ha ha ha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    SNIP Well, what it tells me is that Second Amendment issues are pretty far down on the list of platform items for the national Republican party.
    Well of course it is pretty far down the list. The Republicans are just as much in it for power and personal gain as the Democrats. Both sides know they only need NOT to attack gun rights; they don't actually have to push a pro-gun agenda, just avoid an anti-gun agenda openly declared.

    Having helped push millions out of work and having helped to wreck the economy, they've created for themselves a whole new set of issues to lie to the public about in order to get themselves elected. They can afford to have guns low on the list, both Republicans and Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    They can afford to have guns low on the list, both Republicans and Democrats.
    The return for continued behavior like this will not be cheaply purchased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Well of course it is pretty far down the list. The Republicans are just as much in it for power and personal gain as the Democrats. Both sides know they only need NOT to attack gun rights; they don't actually have to push a pro-gun agenda, just avoid an anti-gun agenda openly declared.
    Way down the list.
    A year or so ago I told two of our younger members to keep a journal because we were making history.

    Our idiot representatives have brought the country to a crumbling mess.

    Elections this year will be energetic, next year more so, and both parties are busy pointing a finger at the other trying to place the blame.

    The gun issues are going to come up this year, only because Obama has lost his support base and is trying to sneak in new gun control so the Soccer Moms will vote for him. Nearly everyone running for office will be trying to find a way to make that go away without taking a firm stance.

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    A politico's position on Gun rights/Second Amendment are IMHO emblematic of his projected voting on any given position.

    It is big government v small government - it is personal responsibility v entitlement - it is freedom v control.

    Check out an incumbent's voting record or look at a challenger's willingness to step up and support us publicly, to take a position. There lies a great predictor of their attitude and responsibility.

    "Cantor can't" look you in the eye and honestly say that he is defending his constituency.
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    I'm reserving judgment. So far, Cantor's the best thing I've seen going in the House of Reps. I think that, from a practical perspective, the dude's got to get himself re-elected, and he's doing what's necessary to accomplish that. He leans more toward being a "Constitutional fundamentalist", as I am, than anyone else I've seen in the U.S. legislature, and he's light years ahead of the atavistic barbarian demagogues in the Executive branch. (As a member of the bar and an officer of the Court, I am not permitted, in violation of my rights under the First Amendment, to comment on the Judiciary.)

    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. As of this moment, I'd do anything I could to get Cantor re-elected. I think he ought to be in the Senate, actually. I think he's smart, intellectually honest, pragmatic, and understands the need for constitutional government. I don't think the Republican de-facto candidate for Senate has the same qualities (George something, I think, whose father was a famous football guy of some kind). I'm sure he's a really decent person and has a lot of good qualities; but I get the impression that he's a "system" guy who supports the reactionaries rather than the conservatives, and it's people like that who got Obama elected. Most of the American public didn't care what kind of "change" was being offered, and Obama never did say; and they elected him having no idea what his plans were specifically because the reactionaries who took over The Party after the Reagan administration were more concerned about their security than that of the nation. As the people of the former Soviet empire discovered, having a "bureau of state security" can be a threat to national security.

    I'm in favor of Constitutional government, and I think Cantor's a voice crying in the wilderness in that regard. I'm for him.
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    He could go a long way to cementing that relationship, if he would stand up and give more than lip service to supporting my right to defend myself and mine.

    Maybe if I could truly "hear" his message in person, we could enter into more meaningful discourse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    But that's not the point, because if Congrescritter Cantor actually cared about the issue he would have discussed it with the 7th District Committee and told them he could not acccept money raised by them because of the firearms prohibition issue. Since he has repeatedly been informed of the issue and continues to accept money from the 7th District's Republican Roundup it appears the issue is not important to him. And that's what this is all about - making public the fact that 1) the issue is not important to Cantor, and 2) the event could have been held at a location (well within the 7th District) that does not prohibit defense of self and family if he felt the issue was important.

    stay safe.
    C'mon, skid. Can you really cite more than one (and I'm stretching by allowing there may be one) politician who will turn down campaign money? Especially from his party organization? Ain't gonna happen, and until the 7th District leadership changes, we're ******* in the wind here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    C'mon, skid. Can you really cite more than one (and I'm stretching by allowing there may be one) politician who will turn down campaign money? Especially from his party organization? Ain't gonna happen, and until the 7th District leadership changes, we're ******* in the wind here.
    Well, yes. But they were folks who gave money back when the publicity became too great to continue ignoring the blatant badness of the contributing group. Names slip my mind at the moment.

    And no, I'm not actually expecting Cantor to refuse the money. I'm just looking to hear him say the issue is, or is not, important enough to him to ask them to move the location. I want him to say it out loud, not say it is not important by merely not addressing it at all.

    And if we are, in fact, just ******* in the wind then in my book it's worth the effort to create the stink.

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