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    Can you OC at Sky Harbor

    The answer is yes!!

    This topic came up in the First-time-flying-with-firearm thread, and after some searching I came across an archive of the original post from the old OCDO that was lost in the switch to the new forum. It is a good read with posts from a Phoenix police LT assigned to Sky Harbor and a TSA agent.

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    If the goal is normalizing the sight of a person OCing , the airport certainly is a very public place to encounter lots of sheeple. I have already advised my wife I will be OCing the next time we go to pick or drop someone off.
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    My understanding is yes outside the secure area.

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    Sky harbor is unposted as far as I know at this moment. However... during my past visits I've asked the dudes in the Info booths and the Airport Security weenies 'bout 'carrying guns' which resulted in the same reaction as announcing you have leprosy. Don't count on airport 'authorities' to actually know anything.

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    Did either of you read the OP or the link? He's not asking the question, he's preserving an old thread from here in which the question was answered convincingly.

    SR, that was one of the first threads you ever posted on here... don't tell me you've had so much fun since then that you've forgotten!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzbk2l View Post
    Did either of you read the OP or the link? He's not asking the question, he's preserving an old thread from here in which the question was answered convincingly.

    SR, that was one of the first threads you ever posted on here... don't tell me you've had so much fun since then that you've forgotten!
    I dunno how convincing the answer was... but the people who work Sky Harbor inside the terminal seem to have remained terminally clueless. I won't be the guinea pig that carries a sidearm past the doors there for that reason. Phoenix is a long way from home.

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    I open carried at Sky Harbor before 9/11

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    I dunno how convincing the answer was... but the people who work Sky Harbor inside the terminal seem to have remained terminally clueless. I won't be the guinea pig that carries a sidearm past the doors there for that reason. Phoenix is a long way from home.
    I have open carried at Sky Harbor before 9/11, but not since then. If we are going to do it, the way to do it would be in a group, looking good, and spending money outside the secure area. I am trying to remember what restaurants are available outside the secure area.

    We also would want to make it a very public event, with reporters notified beforehand, preferably ones that we have a better opinion of.

    With enough prior planning, we could pull this off, especially in the summer when news is low. I could try to bring up a couple people from Yuma. I think a Saturday would be best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    I have open carried at Sky Harbor before 9/11, but not since then. If we are going to do it, the way to do it would be in a group, looking good, and spending money outside the secure area. I am trying to remember what restaurants are available outside the secure area.

    We also would want to make it a very public event, with reporters notified beforehand, preferably ones that we have a better opinion of.

    With enough prior planning, we could pull this off, especially in the summer when news is low. I could try to bring up a couple people from Yuma. I think a Saturday would be best.
    I open carry every time I go to Sky Harbor. Haven't had a real problem yet. The last time was this past spring.
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    Good news. It is what we should expect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV View Post
    I open carry every time I go to Sky Harbor. Haven't had a real problem yet. The last time was this past spring.
    Thanks for the update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    We also would want to make it a very public event, with reporters notified beforehand, preferably ones that we have a better opinion of. With enough prior planning, we could pull this off, especially in the summer when news is low. I could try to bring up a couple people from Yuma. I think a Saturday would be best.
    Be careful what you wish for...

    A couple of years ago we (AzCDL) were able to kill a bill that would have extended the "secure" area of the airport to anywhere the airport authority (Phoenix owns it I believe) wants it to go. It was so poorly worded they could have theoretically made the secure area the entire city of Phoenix.

    An organized group carrying in the terminal to prove a point most likely will have unintended consequences in the legislature. Republicans control the legislature and like to be seen as pro "law and order." It was Republicans that gave us the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and TSA.

    I would be willing to bet that a group of well-dressed and behaved open carriers at the Phoenix airport will result in legislation being introduced, passed and signed into law that would ban guns in the non-secure areas, especailly if it happens during or close to a legsiatlive session.

    Please think it through gentlemen. Proving a point about exercising our right to bear arms may not have the impact you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    Be careful what you wish for... <snip>


    Please think it through gentlemen. Proving a point about exercising our right to bear arms may not have the impact you are looking for.

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    Agreed.

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    It reads as though we do not need to, as per post #7.

    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    Be careful what you wish for...

    A couple of years ago we (AzCDL) were able to kill a bill that would have extended the "secure" area of the airport to anywhere the airport authority (Phoenix owns it I believe) wants it to go. It was so poorly worded they could have theoretically made the secure area the entire city of Phoenix.

    An organized group carrying in the terminal to prove a point most likely will have unintended consequences in the legislature. Republicans control the legislature and like to be seen as pro "law and order." It was Republicans that gave us the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and TSA.

    I would be willing to bet that a group of well-dressed and behaved open carriers at the Phoenix airport will result in legislation being introduced, passed and signed into law that would ban guns in the non-secure areas, especailly if it happens during or close to a legsiatlive session.

    Please think it through gentlemen. Proving a point about exercising our right to bear arms may not have the impact you are looking for.

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    As read in post seven, it appears that we do not need to prove a point. Thanks for your insight. Conserving resources and picking the right fights are important parts of strategy.

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    I thought the original post answered the question but just in case, Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV confirmed he has ODed at Sky Harbor multiple times with no issues.

    If I am reading AZCDLfred right, since the AzCDL was able to kill the bill that would have extended the secure area, that they support OCing in Sky Harbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phxbluesman View Post
    If I am reading AZCDLfred right, since the AzCDL was able to kill the bill that would have extended the secure area, that they support OCing in Sky Harbor?
    We support, and work toward preserving and restoring, the right to bear arms for the law abiding in Arizona. That includes the non-federally controlled areas of an airport.

    AzCDL can't accomplish diddly squat unless we have a growing and active membership. I assume most of you are members? You are either on the steam roller or part of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    We support, and work toward preserving and restoring, the right to bear arms for the law abiding in Arizona. That includes the non-federally controlled areas of an airport.

    AzCDL can't accomplish diddly squat unless we have a growing and active membership. I assume most of you are members? You are either on the steam roller or part of the road.

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    Fred: Like the "steam roller" statement. Remember, you may "prove the point" and in so doing, may blunt the weapon. AzCDL has, and is, doing a great job and deserves the support of all, gun owners and citizens alike.
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    I agree that the airport is not the wisest choice to have an OC meetup and although I started (revived) this thread, for the record I never once considered trying to prove a point there. That is why I asked if the AzCDL supported OC at Sky Harbor at all as I did not want to "blunt the weapon" just by OCing there when I pick up my lady there tomorrow. Just because I can doesn't always mean I should. The AzCDL has done alot of great things for 2A rights in AZ and I would hate to see anything detract from that. If we were going to gather as a group to make a point we should do it somewhere where it is actually needed, not at a place where we already have established our rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phxbluesman View Post
    I thought the original post answered the question but just in case, Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV confirmed he has ODed at Sky Harbor multiple times with no issues.

    If I am reading AZCDLfred right, since the AzCDL was able to kill the bill that would have extended the secure area, that they support OCing in Sky Harbor?
    OD'ed? Has somebody been slipping drugs into my coffee again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV View Post
    OD'ed? Has somebody been slipping drugs into my coffee again?
    Don't care who you are, that's funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV View Post
    OD'ed? Has somebody been slipping drugs into my coffee again?
    Awww CRUD!!! Thats what I get for using my phone to reply! Guess I gotta leave the typo for laughs now.

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    Follow up

    The past 2 times I went to PU up my lady from SH I did OC (not OD..lol) but since I didn't have the extra time to park then meet her at the check point let alone want to pay for parking I just picked her up curbside . I did get a hard stare from a skycap. We have to pick the daughter in law, her hubby and 2 kids in Nov and we probably will meet them at the gate then.

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