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    Media article on Fl gun law and OC- How many mistakes can you find?

    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Well for one, nowhere in the law does it say the BOC has to be "Accidental".

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    The law also allows registered firearm owners to have weapons in their cars.
    This is why everyone at work asks me, "OMG WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOUR GUN IS NOT REGISTERED!?"

    we condition everyone to think that guns need to be registered. stupid.
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
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    This is one of the worst articles I have ever read. One of their sources is a newspaper??? Like they know the law....
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    1. "New law clarifies accidental weapon exposure issue; goes into effect Oct. 1"

    Incorrect. SB 234, the bill that related to accidental weapons exposure, was effective upon the Governor's signature in June. HB 45, the bill that adds teeth to preemption becomes effective on Oct. 1.

    2. "The Open Carry law says if a person displays a firearm in an angry or threatening manner for reasons other than self-defense, it would be considered a violation and would be charged as a second-degree misdemeanor."

    Incorrect. It was not an "open carry law" as it does not address open carry in any way. It deals with accidental or non-threatening exposure of a concealed firearm.

    3. "The law also allows registered firearm owners to have weapons in their cars."

    Incorrect. There is no such thing as either a registered firearm or a registered owner in Florida.

    4. "However, the language of the new law has been modified to say, "Nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determine who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom."

    Incorrect. The previous iteration of 790.06 said exactly, word for word, the same thing. The list of prohibited places was changed to be a numbered list rather than a rambling paragraph, but no change to the wording regarding courtrooms was made.

    5. "The restrictions on where guns cannot be carried remain mostly the same. But the law does provide that guns are now allowed at parks and town halls, according to The Miami Herald."

    Incorrect. First, the preemption statute has allowed guns in parks and town halls since 1987. The preemption teeth bill amended the original statute to provide punishment for local governments that violate the preemption provisions, however it is an entirely separate law from the accidental exposure law. The way this paragraph is worded, the reader might assume that they are both parts of the same law. I also had to chuckle regarding the disclaimer about the Miami Herald. "Don't blame us, they're the ones that said it!"

    6. "Although allowed in town halls, the law prohibits firearms to be carried in a county commission or school board meeting within the town hall in order to avoid gun use in a hostile situation."

    Incorrect. The purpose of the law is because the officials are afraid of licensed carriers, while completely ignoring the reality that if someone wanted to murder them at a meeting, a misdemeanor offense of carrying in an unauthorized place would provide no deterrent factor whatsoever.

    7. "The statute appears to require less law enforcement except where it's prohibited," meaning that officers will only need to enforce open carry laws in prohibited areas, whereas everywhere else has become an open range to carry firearms."

    Incorrect. The prohibited places/activities for open carry of firearms has not changed. Again, inadvertent exposure is not open carry.

    8. "Officials and officers who fail to comply with the new law also may be punished by registered firearm carriers, who will be able to sue for damages if they believe their rights have been violated."

    Incorrect. Again, no such thing as a registered firearm carrier. Also, gun rights organizations (such as Florida Carry) who have members in a given area have been granted standing to bring suit on behalf of those members.

    9. "Since this law was passed, the only restrictions on concealed weapons are those approved by the state Legislature."

    Incorrect. It's been this way for 24 years.

    10. "But once this law is enacted, that will only be a felony if the person does not have a license to carry a concealed weapon."

    Incorrect. Again, it's been this way for 24 years.

    11. "Vice Mayor of Miami Gardens Aaron Campbell said, 'This probably passed because of someone from the NRA, someone who doesn't care about urban conditions.' It's sad a piece of legislation can be passed like this."

    Incorrect. The preemption teeth bill was passed because the local governments arrogantly ignored state statute for nearly a quarter-century.
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    Nicely done Rich. Gotta love the media. When they're not apologizing and propagandizing for tyranny, they're spewing false information.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Wow...I got a few paragraphs in and had to stop reading. That journalist apparently got their degree from a Captain Crunch box. That's atrocious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich7553 View Post
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    The sad thing is the reporter was probably reporting on what he heard from our legislators. These guys don't know wtf they are doing. I forget who it was, but some legislator emailed back to one of our OCDO guys talking about this law and the legislator was actually convinced that they had passed OC legislation... It's ludacris.
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
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    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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