Phxbluesman
Regular Member
Maybe I am dreaming that we could pull it off but...
I know that as soon as someone finds a business that doesn't support 2A rights the first choice is as an individual not patronize said business. Well as satifying as it may be indivudually I don't feel it has any result in changing the policy of said business. What we need is strength in numbers. Perhaps if we could get a group of us that will respond with emails, phone calls and even protest.
I went to Fry's Electronics last week and found this greeting me at the door.
Now that is wrong on a couple levels...first because they aren't supporting 2A rights and second because it a sign meant for a bar! (A.R.S. 4-229 )
Well this is what I would like to send to the manager at the Tbird location. If we could get a half dozen or so to particpate it just might work.
Dear,
I wanted to discuss the no firearms sign you have posted. While I understand the reasoning that may have led to you posting that sign I submit to you that that although it may seem counter intuitive, your sign has no effect on deterring crime and actually may encourage it, in addition you are losing business dollars from many law abiding citizens.
Criminals make a living by guess what? Breaking the law and therefore will ignore your sign. Law abiding people will turn around and take their business elsewhere as well as telling other to not patronize your business. Also posting a sign infers that there has been trouble at your business before and that it is an unsafe place.
To a criminal a no firearms sign looks like this…
Here is a list of major retailers that support citizen’s constitutional rights
Fry’s Food Stores
Starbucks
Home Depot
Wal-Mart
Sam’s Club
Albertson’s
Jack In the Box
Chase Bank
Desert Schools Credit Union
Lowes
Valley Metro Bus/Light Rail
Auto Zone
Walgreens
Radio Shack
And many more.
There has not been the shootout at the OK corral in these businesses and in fact in one confirmed instance it actually prevented a crime.
From the Atlanata Examiner
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw#ixzz1UqzzHs1y
"Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.
The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.
Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened."
In addition the sign you do have posted is intended for a business that sells alcohol for onsite consumption i.e. bars. The statute A.R.S. 4-229 is for bars and restaurants that serve liquor and specifically refers to people with concealed carry permits. Does Fry’s even have a liquor license?
This letter is the first attempt to persuade you to please remove your sign. Fry’s Electronics on Tbird is still currently on the list of friendly businesses on sites such as http://www.friendorfoe.us/ but I am waiting to submit it as non-friendly until I hear back from you. If you choose not remove the sign, myself and other members of Open Carry Forum plan use social media to network as well as contact the TV media in order to organize a protest along Thunderbird Rd. with signs stating:
Fry’s Electronics does not support the constitution.
Respectfully
I know that as soon as someone finds a business that doesn't support 2A rights the first choice is as an individual not patronize said business. Well as satifying as it may be indivudually I don't feel it has any result in changing the policy of said business. What we need is strength in numbers. Perhaps if we could get a group of us that will respond with emails, phone calls and even protest.
I went to Fry's Electronics last week and found this greeting me at the door.
Now that is wrong on a couple levels...first because they aren't supporting 2A rights and second because it a sign meant for a bar! (A.R.S. 4-229 )
Well this is what I would like to send to the manager at the Tbird location. If we could get a half dozen or so to particpate it just might work.
Dear,
I wanted to discuss the no firearms sign you have posted. While I understand the reasoning that may have led to you posting that sign I submit to you that that although it may seem counter intuitive, your sign has no effect on deterring crime and actually may encourage it, in addition you are losing business dollars from many law abiding citizens.
Criminals make a living by guess what? Breaking the law and therefore will ignore your sign. Law abiding people will turn around and take their business elsewhere as well as telling other to not patronize your business. Also posting a sign infers that there has been trouble at your business before and that it is an unsafe place.
To a criminal a no firearms sign looks like this…
Here is a list of major retailers that support citizen’s constitutional rights
Fry’s Food Stores
Starbucks
Home Depot
Wal-Mart
Sam’s Club
Albertson’s
Jack In the Box
Chase Bank
Desert Schools Credit Union
Lowes
Valley Metro Bus/Light Rail
Auto Zone
Walgreens
Radio Shack
And many more.
There has not been the shootout at the OK corral in these businesses and in fact in one confirmed instance it actually prevented a crime.
From the Atlanata Examiner
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw#ixzz1UqzzHs1y
"Matt Brannan and J.P. Mitchell were dining in the Wafflehouse on Barrett Parkway at I-575 in Kennesaw at 4:45 in the morning recently when a scout for an armed robbery crew entered the restaurant to case it. At the time, Matt and J.P. thought he looked a little suspicious, as he was wandering around the small restaurant like he was looking for someone. Unknown to Matt and J.P., two cars full of armed robbers were parked behind the restaurant waiting for the scout's report.
The scout saw that two of the customers were wearing holstered pistols, and he immediately turned and left the store.
Meanwhile, conscientious Cobb County Police Officer D. Lowe had noticed suspicious cars sitting behind the restaurant in the dark and decided to investigate. He caught men with masks and rifles who had been preparing to rob the Wafflehouse. The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave. Ironically, the police car was pulling in to the parking lot just as Matt and J.P. were driving away. In other words, had Matt and J.P. not been armed, the robbery probably would have occurred before the police intervened."
In addition the sign you do have posted is intended for a business that sells alcohol for onsite consumption i.e. bars. The statute A.R.S. 4-229 is for bars and restaurants that serve liquor and specifically refers to people with concealed carry permits. Does Fry’s even have a liquor license?
This letter is the first attempt to persuade you to please remove your sign. Fry’s Electronics on Tbird is still currently on the list of friendly businesses on sites such as http://www.friendorfoe.us/ but I am waiting to submit it as non-friendly until I hear back from you. If you choose not remove the sign, myself and other members of Open Carry Forum plan use social media to network as well as contact the TV media in order to organize a protest along Thunderbird Rd. with signs stating:
Fry’s Electronics does not support the constitution.
Respectfully
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