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    Odd Walmart encounter

    I was down that the Mt Vernon SuperWallys earlier today while my poor lil guinea pig was at the vet for the eunuch treatment. I had been wandering around with a shopping cart for maybe 10 or 15 minutes when a manager & minion intercepted me. Very polite fellow, but of course as soon one is stopped by a manager-type while OC there's a certain expectation, so I'm thinking "great, heeeeere we go..."

    So he introduces himself by name, shakes my hand, and launches into the usual "Several associates & customers have said they're uncomfortable.... and would you mind covering up" spiel. I counter with, "OK, you do know that it's Wallys policy to comply with state law, yes?" politely. And this is where it got odd. He agreed, and asked if I could cover up, then quickly acknowledged that with my big freakin Tanfoglio and shirt I had on at the time, covering it up would still be pretty darn obvious and probably pointless. I asked if I was being asked to leave, to which he said, of course not, he just wanted to see if maybe I could cover up. So I said I would continue with my shopping and then get out of his hair, and we parted relatively amicably. I did so and left without further incident.

    Whole thing did kinda leave me scratching my head tho. He did seem somewhat familiar with the law,I figure he was either an anti who was trying to get away with what he could under company policy, or neutral and just doing what he felt he had to under the circumstances to keep everyone "happy." Probably the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    I was down that the Mt Vernon SuperWallys earlier today while my poor lil guinea pig was at the vet for the eunuch treatment. I had been wandering around with a shopping cart for maybe 10 or 15 minutes when a manager & minion intercepted me. Very polite fellow, but of course as soon one is stopped by a manager-type while OC there's a certain expectation, so I'm thinking "great, heeeeere we go..."

    So he introduces himself by name, shakes my hand, and launches into the usual "Several associates & customers have said they're uncomfortable.... and would you mind covering up" spiel. I counter with, "OK, you do know that it's Wallys policy to comply with state law, yes?" politely. And this is where it got odd. He agreed, and asked if I could cover up, then quickly acknowledged that with my big freakin Tanfoglio and shirt I had on at the time, covering it up would still be pretty darn obvious and probably pointless. I asked if I was being asked to leave, to which he said, of course not, he just wanted to see if maybe I could cover up. So I said I would continue with my shopping and then get out of his hair, and we parted relatively amicably. I did so and left without further incident.

    Whole thing did kinda leave me scratching my head tho. He did seem somewhat familiar with the law,I figure he was either an anti who was trying to get away with what he could under company policy, or neutral and just doing what he felt he had to under the circumstances to keep everyone "happy." Probably the latter.
    Sounds like a case of trying to appease the masses. Great job standing your ground. Good job to the manager for not pushing the issue or asking you to leave.
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    The manager is walking on a tightrope. He obviously knows the corporate policy yet tried to test the waters if you will by "asking" you. I dont blame him.

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    thebigsd said...Sounds like a case of trying to appease the masses.
    Educating the employee who complained was more difficult than approaching a shopper minding his own business. Hmmm

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    Even though I have a CPL for getting in my car without unloading, I would play dumb and say I don't have one. I would ask the person if they are asking me to break the law by "covering up" with out a CPL, then offer to call the police on them and see what happens.
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    I would have been a bit more direct i think. something along the lines of-

    "So let me get this straight, you know your companies policy and the states laws on the issue. you know i am in full complaince with that policy as well as the law and yet here you are attempting to violate the policy it is your duty to uphold?"
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    I do not think there is any good in ever antagonizing anyone. We can educate without antaginizing. My approach would be to ask the manager to do the simple thing and save himself a lot of problems in the future...if someone complains, (employee or customer) explain to them : It may make you uncomfortable, but it is not against the law, it not against public or corporate policy,and it is a completely legal way for a person to protect themself form those that would do you harm. Honest men do not hide their weapons, only those that are up to no-good want to hide them.

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    then offer to call the police on them and see what happens.
    Why?

    It's not a crime to ask you to break the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    I do not think there is any good in ever antagonizing anyone. We can educate without antaginizing. My approach would be to ask the manager to do the simple thing and save himself a lot of problems in the future...if someone complains, (employee or customer) explain to them : It may make you uncomfortable, but it is not against the law, it not against public or corporate policy,and it is a completely legal way for a person to protect themself form those that would do you harm. Honest men do not hide their weapons, only those that are up to no-good want to hide them.
    Good comments, all. The oddness of the situation kinda caught me off guard. I instantly went on the defensive and was expecting an "argument" and resigning myself to leaving and having to acquire all the crap in my wagon elsewhere. I certainly wasn't expecting to "win", as it were. I'm also not the best at coming up with thoughtful rebuttals (like the above) on the spot like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    I do not think there is any good in ever antagonizing anyone. We can educate without antaginizing. My approach would be to ask the manager to do the simple thing and save himself a lot of problems in the future...if someone complains, (employee or customer) explain to them : It may make you uncomfortable, but it is not against the law, it not against public or corporate policy,and it is a completely legal way for a person to protect themself form those that would do you harm. Honest men do not hide their weapons, only those that are up to no-good want to hide them.
    Dont know about that. I dont think I'm dishonest and up to no good when I conceal carry.

    they could let the complaining libtard chew on the fact that they probably pass 10 to 20 concealed firearms on any given day to which some are carried legally and some are carried by criminals, it's up to them to figure out who is carrying.
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    Exaggeration (by the staff). There was one employee or one customer that complained. Good job Metal handling it.

    I haven't had any second looks when carrying at Mt. Vernon Walmart.
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    It would be refreshing

    If one day I read about an encounter with a "Manager" who instead of asking one to cover up, says that he had a complaint or two about your OC but told the complaining parties that it was perfectly legal. That the person Open Carrying was perfectly welcome to shop in the store, just like they are.

    Wouldn't take long for the word to get out if they were to take that approach. Instead they choose to approach the "offender" and have them appease those who don't have a clue as to what is or isn't legal.

    If I were approached in a situation like this I'd ask the Manager "did you advise those who complained that OC is perfectly legal in Washington"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Even though I have a CPL for getting in my car without unloading, I would play dumb and say I don't have one. I would ask the person if they are asking me to break the law by "covering up" with out a CPL, then offer to call the police on them and see what happens.
    Why be confrontational when a simple "I am in compliance with the law and your corporate policy, so I bid you good day."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    Why be confrontational when a simple "I am in compliance with the law and your corporate policy, so I bid you good day."
    Cuz even in that case, the manger is still within his rights to trespass you, up to & including having the police remove you, so I would think some attempt to defuse the situation is still warranted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Cuz even in that case, the manger is still within his rights to trespass you, up to & including having the police remove you, so I would think some attempt to defuse the situation is still warranted.


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    Yup. And regardless of what the "corporate policy" is that manager is the captain of the ship and what he says goes. That is his real estate and he is head of the serfdom. Its not in your best interest or your powers to try and reprimand the manager or convince him to engage the corporate policy. That is between him and the corporate offices. Why do we go over this same ground people? Have we run out of things to talk about? Really?
    I believe the approach should be one of a gentle nature. Arm yourself with the WRITTEN corporate policy,state law and smile instead of a brash attitude and a sense of entitlement. And in that manner we will have a docturine to carry our movement much further than will conspicuous indignation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    Arm yourself with the WRITTEN corporate policy,state law...
    I don't carry the written policy of every chain store I visit. If they don't want my money and ask me to leave, I'll leave. I've only been asked to leave one place in all the years I've open carried, because there was "a child present" (my granddaughter). We left, went across the street to another chain store where they sold the same product, and I spent over $780. I've got choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajetpilot View Post
    I don't carry the written policy of every chain store I visit. If they don't want my money and ask me to leave, I'll leave. I've only been asked to leave one place in all the years I've open carried, because there was "a child present" (my granddaughter). We left, went across the street to another chain store where they sold the same product, and I spent over $780. I've got choices.
    I concur. It would be kind of a pain lugging around a binder full of store policies. Of course, I do save all my email correspondence, and could bring it up if needed. Too much hassle, I'd rather take my money elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajetpilot View Post
    I don't carry the written policy of every chain store I visit. If they don't want my money and ask me to leave, I'll leave. I've only been asked to leave one place in all the years I've open carried, because there was "a child present" (my granddaughter). We left, went across the street to another chain store where they sold the same product, and I spent over $780. I've got choices.

    Roger, that. Vote with your dollar. This was more geared towards individuals who knowingly enter a place that has been known to be "anti"...But I wholly subscribe to your view: "You dont want my money? OK. Ill just go to your competitor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    individuals who knowingly enter a place that has been known to be "anti"...
    It might be said that these individuals are looking for a confrontation. THAT certainly doesn't help the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    It might be said that these individuals are looking for a confrontation. THAT certainly doesn't help the cause.

    Sure. But then again to be fair there are those places that one guy enters with no adverse effects then another guy states just the opposite. Those places it seems, management doesn't have a grasp as to their own corporate policy. And in that we have an opportunity to be polite, inform and educate. If management still doesn't move to a favorable resolve then one should ultimately adhere to their wishes, leave the premises, then turn around and inform the corporate office of the "incident". That in my opinion is the best course of action....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    I was down that the Mt Vernon SuperWallys earlier today while my poor lil guinea pig was at the vet for the eunuch treatment. I had been wandering around with a shopping cart for maybe 10 or 15 minutes when a manager & minion intercepted me. Very polite fellow, but of course as soon one is stopped by a manager-type while OC there's a certain expectation, so I'm thinking "great, heeeeere we go..."

    So he introduces himself by name, shakes my hand, and launches into the usual "Several associates & customers have said they're uncomfortable.... and would you mind covering up" spiel. I counter with, "OK, you do know that it's Wallys policy to comply with state law, yes?" politely. And this is where it got odd. He agreed, and asked if I could cover up, then quickly acknowledged that with my big freakin Tanfoglio and shirt I had on at the time, covering it up would still be pretty darn obvious and probably pointless. I asked if I was being asked to leave, to which he said, of course not, he just wanted to see if maybe I could cover up. So I said I would continue with my shopping and then get out of his hair, and we parted relatively amicably. I did so and left without further incident.

    Whole thing did kinda leave me scratching my head tho. He did seem somewhat familiar with the law,I figure he was either an anti who was trying to get away with what he could under company policy, or neutral and just doing what he felt he had to under the circumstances to keep everyone "happy." Probably the latter.


    Sounds to me like you handled it perfectly. The manager did what he had to do and you stood your ground. Both of you accomplished what was needed. He could then appease his employee by saying 'he tried' and you still OC'ed. I too have a hard time coming up with thought out responses on the spot, you did better than I would have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Cuz even in that case, the manger is still within his rights to trespass you, up to & including having the police remove you, so I would think some attempt to defuse the situation is still warranted.


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    You are absolutely correct, and, if asked to leave, I would, and leave my shopping cart of merchandise right there. I would still make that statement.

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    Just maybe...

    Ya know, most are just assuming that the manager didn't already make an attempt to educate the complainers...

    What if the manager had already told those complaining that the OP was within his legal rights, and Wal*mart company policy allowed it, BUT that he would ask the MWAG if he would cover it up?

    We have nothing in this report to say otherwise, and from the approach made by the manager and his apparent equanimity with the OP's desire to continue open carry, I could readily believe this may have happened.

    Metalhead, excellently handled IMHO. Always be polite until one can no longer be.

    To those suggesting a more aggressive stance or getting in the manager's face because of his simple, polite request, remember that your attitude can very easily tip the manager to simply trespassing you for your attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    You are absolutely correct, and, if asked to leave, I would, and leave my shopping cart of merchandise right there. I would still make that statement.
    What surprises me, is that with all the crazy people they let roam around with no shirts on, no shoes, back boobs hanging out, carrying their non service animals thru the grocery isles, which are probably cleaner than some of the kids you see in wal-mart, they complain about a gun??? Sheeeeeeeezzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    Why be confrontational when a simple "I am in compliance with the law and your corporate policy, so I bid you good day."
    I had a similar experience to the OP in Houston. I told the Asst. Manager I didnt have a concealed permit. He stated he understood there was nothing I could do and left. Just a thought though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Cuz even in that case, the manger is still within his rights to trespass you, up to & including having the police remove you, so I would think some attempt to defuse the situation is still warranted.
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    Now of course I was not there and I was not the managers minion.... but I suspect he had ZERO intention of asking him to leave. I think he recieved a complaint or two from an employee or customer and simply thought that if the OP could cover it everyone/everything would be Kosher. I dont htink the manager was an Anti or he would have just asked the OP to leave. Everything the OP stated leads me to believe the manager was simply trying to find a compromise that keep all parties spending their hard earned money at Americas #1 parasite to the economy... oh I meant WalMart sorry...
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