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Floating Libertarians?

Beretta92FSLady

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This thing is packed with irony. The epitome of Social Constructionism. But I suppose this is the Libertarian (tea party?) 'ideal', a society without government intrusion.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

"Thiel made news earlier this year for putting a portion of his $1.5 billion fortune into an initiative to encourage entrepreneurs to skip college."

Apparently it is the Libertarian agenda to assure that individuals are not educated, but merely Capitalists. Since Capitalism is working so well here in America.
 

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This thing is packed with irony. The epitome of Social Constructionism. But I suppose this is the Libertarian (tea party?) 'ideal', a society without government intrusion.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

"Thiel made news earlier this year for putting a portion of his $1.5 billion fortune into an initiative to encourage entrepreneurs to skip college."

Apparently it is the Libertarian agenda to assure that individuals are not educated, but merely Capitalists. Since Capitalism is working so well here in America.

Uh....first we don't have capitalism in this country and second, why must you continue to rip on something that you don't seem to know anything about. I'm talking about libertarianism. You're just miss characterizing it with oft-parroted talking points. Oh, and don't get libertarians and the tea party mixed up. They aren't interchangable. There are some libertarians in the tea party but there are other groups within it that libertarians have big problems with....like Neocons.

As for the link in the OP I think this is a great idea. If it takes off and I could get a job out there I'd try it out myself.

ETA: And I thought PayPal was anti-gun?
 
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Beretta92FSLady

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Uh....first we don't have capitalism in this country and second, why must you continue to rip on something that you don't seem to know anything about. I'm talking about libertarianism. You're just miss characterizing it with oft-parroted talking points. Oh, and don't get libertarians and the tea party mixed up. They aren't interchangable. There are some libertarians in the tea party but there are other groups within it that libertarians have big problems with....like Neocons.

As for the link in the OP I think this is a great idea. If it takes off and I could get a job out there I'd try it out myself.

ETA: And I thought PayPal was anti-gun?

Of course we don't have Capitalism in this Country *rolls eyes*. Let me guess, we are a Socialist Country? No, wait, we are a Republic, as if that has anything to do with any of the two isms I offered up.
 

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Of course we don't have Capitalism in this Country *rolls eyes*. Let me guess, we are a Socialist Country? No, wait, we are a Republic, as if that has anything to do with any of the two isms I offered up.

Actually, he's correct, and if you'd spend more time educating yourself instead of mindlessly repeating the same libtarded, statist talking points that you sucked up from Rachel "Mad Cow" Maddow, you would know that. Free market capitalism implies free markets. Anyone with two open eyes and a brain can plainly see we do not have that in this country. Just the other day, I read an article about the federal government's subsidizing of rural, low-traffic airports, to the tune of thousands of dollars per ticket, largely due to the prodding of Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller, two good liberal statists, as well as several equally unsavory Republican neo-con hacks.
 
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Actually, he's correct, and if you'd spend more time educating yourself instead of mindlessly repeating the same libtarded, statist talking points that you sucked up from Rachel "Mad Cow" Maddow, you would know that. Free market capitalism implies free markets. Anyone with two open eyes and a brain can plainly see we do not have that in this country. Just the other day, I read an article about the federal government's subsidizing of rural, low-traffic airports, to the tune of thousands of dollars per ticket, largely due to the prodding of Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller, two good liberal statists, as well as several equally unsavory Republican neo-con hacks.
This^
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Of course we don't have Capitalism in this Country *rolls eyes*. Let me guess, we are a Socialist Country? No, wait, we are a Republic, as if that has anything to do with any of the two isms I offered up.

I'd say it's more and more leaning towards Fascist Corporatism.
For your reading pleasure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
 

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Wow... extreme seperation from the "Have's" and "Have Nots"... basically a good idea for a SHTF senario, except I suppose for the fighter jets, UAV's (unmaned areial vehicles), battle ship destroyers, and attack submairnes...LOL....

I live on a medium sized lake, I am now thinking about fortifying and arming the pontoon boat, anchor down out it the middle with food and fresh water then... "Bring It On"... LOL... especially after Nov. 1 it will be legal to "carry" on a boat... Now.. What to do when the lake turns to ice...LOL

Ourdoorsman1

PS: Did I mention...LOL
 

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There is no capitalism in this country. Try being self employed. Anarcho capitalism is the best system and should be instituted.

Oh and "constructs" are not a bad thing. Gravity is a "construct" that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and isn't natural or even a positive thing. Liberty is the natural state of mankind and "positivism" (especially in government control) it's enemy and we must fight it at every turn and chance we get. Governments come after people, they set them up to protect their liberty, and then the government becomes to big, panders to certain political classes or groups of people, grows tyrannical and eventually falls.

Positivism is tyranny and leads to atrocities every time. From the ancient Egyptian and Assyrian governments through to the many atrocities in the 20 and 21 century performed by modern ones.
 

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There is no capitalism in this country. Try being self employed. Anarcho capitalism is the best system and should be instituted.

Oh and "constructs" are not a bad thing. Gravity is a "construct" that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and isn't natural or even a positive thing. Liberty is the natural state of mankind and "positivism" (especially in government control) it's enemy and we must fight it at every turn and chance we get. Governments come after people, they set them up to protect their liberty, and then the government becomes to big, panders to certain political classes or groups of people, grows tyrannical and eventually falls.

Positivism is tyranny and leads to atrocities every time. From the ancient Egyptian and Assyrian governments through to the many atrocities in the 20 and 21 century performed by modern ones.

So, 'Positivism' isn't the issue, rather, the human, or group of individuals constructing the Positivist model, and applying it through a Government structure is the issue...wait, that would mean that the issue is a human issue, not a Government, nor a Positivist issue. Whew, I knew I could get us out of this one.:dude:
 

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Uh....first we don't have capitalism in this country and second, why must you continue to rip on something that you don't seem to know anything about. I'm talking about libertarianism. You're just miss characterizing it with oft-parroted talking points. Oh, and don't get libertarians and the tea party mixed up. They aren't interchangable. There are some libertarians in the tea party but there are other groups within it that libertarians have big problems with....like Neocons.

As for the link in the OP I think this is a great idea. If it takes off and I could get a job out there I'd try it out myself.

ETA: And I thought PayPal was anti-gun?

Gotta be careful of the "Neocon" label. (Didn't we have this discussion?) True Neo-Conservatives of the Buckley mold are now Constitutionalists, like me. The label has been pushed and pulled too much by those who don't understand natural evolutionary migration.
 

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Gotta be careful of the "Neocon" label. (Didn't we have this discussion?) True Neo-Conservatives of the Buckley mold are now Constitutionalists, like me. The label has been pushed and pulled too much by those who don't understand natural evolutionary migration.

Nope, we've never had the discussion. I use "neocon" in the generally accepted meaning of today. I think it's easier for clarity. This is really no difference than having to define oneself as a "classic liberal" instead of a Liberal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
You won't find Buckley in the above aritcle.

I'm not saying that Neo-conservatives were not as you say at one time just that there is a reason you are calling yourself a constitutionalist instead of a neocon now days right?
 
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Beretta92FSLady

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Gotta be careful of the "Neocon" label. (Didn't we have this discussion?) True Neo-Conservatives of the Buckley mold are now Constitutionalists, like me. The label has been pushed and pulled too much by those who don't understand natural evolutionary migration.

That is an interesting use of words, "natural evolutionary migration." What do you mean by this? The Constitutionalist - as example - is a term which represents a specific (or general?) model. The constant linguistic flux, and ideological flux are the 'natural evolutionary migration'? What is there to understand about a "natural evolutionary migration?"
 

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Freedom: Allowing the other guy to do what he wants to, as long it is not hurting someone else.

Liberty: Doing what you please (again, as long as you are not damaging someone else) when you want to. Not available to people who are not free.

The mainline Republocrats have no concept of either. It is all about power and control, how much money can they milk out of the public to use as they please to ensure they can be re-elected and continue in power. It's an ego thing, not a freedom thing with them.

All you have to do is look at the Islamic countries as to what happens when you add religion into this equation. That was the whole reason behind the First Ammendment, It was not written, freedom from religion (or any religious expression). It was freedom OF religion, that is freedom to worship each in his own way, and not be compelled to bow to any particular religion.

Ever heard of the "blue laws", Where in some places in the US and Canada it is/has been the practice to ban to opening of a retail business on Sunday? You figure it out, if you can. Very minor example of a much deeper problem.
 
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The label has been pushed and pulled too much by those who don't understand natural evolutionary migration.

Haven't all labels? Used to be, throwing tea into a harbor in protest of tyrranical totalitarianism was the height of patriotism! Now the "tea party's" approval rating has fallen below that of atheists.
 

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SNIP Apparently it is the Libertarian agenda to assure that individuals are not educated.

I don't have any information that the libertarian agenda is to stop people from getting college educations. But, I have come across some freedom-minded folks who think college has become a huge industry more interested in making money.

The info is available if you hunt for it a little bit. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't; I'm just saying its out there if it interests you.

Basically you'll find stuff approximately saying:

A large percentage of young folks start but don't complete college--at large expense to themselves or parents.

Plenty of young folks who do graduate can't find jobs. A few are comparing it to the Japanese "lost generation" or whatever its called made up of lots of young folks who had to move back in with mom and dad because they couldn't find jobs.

Educations are costing fortunes. Kids are ending up with large or huge debts compared to their income potential.

Most of the commentators I've read are pointing fingers at government loans. More easy money just drives up costs.
 

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SNIP Anyone...can plainly see we do not have [free markets/capitalism] in this country.

Agreed.

First, we have tons of regulation.

But, I believe, a deeper problem is all the lobbyists asking for government favor and advantage. Subsidies for this, subsidies for that. Regulation to strangle a competitor here, regulation to get some advantage there, regulation to make it too hard for start ups to come into the market. Basically, big business is almost in bed with government.

You can bet the ethanol industry and the wind industry worked hard (campaign contributions?) to get themselves set up.

While the rest of us howl about corporate taxes, too many corporations are conniving with legislators and regulators behind the curtain. This could be called corporatism. It isn't capitalism.
 
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