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    Anyone ever sell a gun 3rd party?

    Has anyone ever done this in WI? I've been digging around to find the laws, and I just can't seem to find anything.

    As a third party, do I still need an FFL dealer?

    Looking to get rid of one of my guns, and I have no idea how to go about doing it. Local dealers won't pay close to a 1/3 of what it's worth, so I'd prefer to go 3rd party
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    I've sold guns 3rd party.

    Check their ID to see if their a resident. Use common sense. I'd recommend a written contract and to write the buyer's name and maybe contact info on it. Keep it for a while or not. It's your call. I don't have any of it anymore.

    Rule of thumb. Be armed during the transaction. Don't give a loaded gun to someone and don't have ammo readily available where they will be at during the transaction. Think of the Terminator gun store scene
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    i have in the past but i did not do any of the suggestions but i knew who i was selling it to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passive101 View Post
    I've sold guns 3rd party.

    Check their ID to see if their a resident. Use common sense. I'd recommend a written contract and to write the buyer's name and maybe contact info on it. Keep it for a while or not. It's your call. I don't have any of it anymore.

    Rule of thumb. Be armed during the transaction. Don't give a loaded gun to someone and don't have ammo readily available where they will be at during the transaction. Think of the Terminator gun store scene
    The gun store scene, hey? Love it.

    I found the laws on 3rd party transactions, and it pretty much states no check or paperwork is required. Wasn't sure if anyone had a CYA policy in effect for this. I had planned on copying the original FFL paperwork and keeping a copy of the buyers drivers license with it for the rest of my life, just in case something ever came up, but wasn't sure if it was "enough"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaurusToter View Post
    The gun store scene, hey? Love it.

    I found the laws on 3rd party transactions, and it pretty much states no check or paperwork is required. Wasn't sure if anyone had a CYA policy in effect for this. I had planned on copying the original FFL paperwork and keeping a copy of the buyers drivers license with it for the rest of my life, just in case something ever came up, but wasn't sure if it was "enough"
    I would recommend having some sort of bill of sale. One of the lawyers here in VA has written one here.

    As far as I can tell it is not VA specific and can be used anywhere. This could be your CYA move.
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    Thanks Bigsd, that's exactly what I was looking for. I appreciate the info from everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passive101 View Post
    Think of the Terminator gun store scene


    You made me look this up as soon as I read this, I figured I'd share
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    WI goes by Federal law. You may either do a FTF transaction or even ship a firearm to any WI resident 18 years of age who is not a prohibited person (a 16 year old may possess a long gun but I would not sell a 16 year old a firearm directly unless they were related. As a private party you only have to be reasonably certain they are not prohibited from receiving the firearm. If it bothers you, simply have a FFL do the transfer for you.
    You can list your firearm on Gunbroker and then ship the firearm to a FFL in or out of State and then the FFL will do the transfer. You simply get a copy of the FFL before you ship and you are all set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor_Knight View Post
    As a private party you only have to be reasonably certain they are not prohibited from receiving the firearm.
    Wisconsin Circuit Court records are good spot to check if you have the persons name and age. I did call the local police department to verify the buyer of my G3 was not being sought on an active warrant. The cop on the phone didn't really want to help me until I mentioned it would put 20rnds right through his vest at 300yrds.

    Suddenly he's Officer Helpful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandil View Post
    Wisconsin Circuit Court records are good spot to check if you have the persons name and age. I did call the local police department to verify the buyer of my G3 was not being sought on an active warrant. The cop on the phone didn't really want to help me until I mentioned it would put 20rnds right through his vest at 300yrds.

    Suddenly he's Officer Helpful!
    Ahhhh.....G3? Heckler and Koch G3? Wouldnt that have the magical ATF paperwork involved to clear a buyer?

    Another G3 I missed a chance at buying!

    H & K 91 maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedOne View Post
    Ahhhh.....G3? Heckler and Koch G3? Wouldnt that have the magical ATF paperwork involved to clear a buyer?

    Another G3 I missed a chance at buying!

    H & K 91 maybe?
    It was one of Springfield Armory's over stamped EBO's.

    Technically a SAR-3 but if you call it that people just scratch there head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaurusToter View Post
    Has anyone ever done this in WI? I've been digging around to find the laws, and I just can't seem to find anything.

    As a third party, do I still need an FFL dealer?

    Looking to get rid of one of my guns, and I have no idea how to go about doing it. Local dealers won't pay close to a 1/3 of what it's worth, so I'd prefer to go 3rd party
    Go with Gun Broker or I can sell or transfer it for you.
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    I've got it listed on Armslist already, and a few other sites. Hesitant to put it on GunBroker at the moment (for reasons I can't really explain, simply because I don't have a good reason NOT to put it on there).

    I'll let it ride on Armslist for a week or so, see if anyone takes interest. It's the Taurus with a Viridian laser sight
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    I have bought and sold many guns that same way I have bought and sold many motorcycle parts... with a hand shake. The only time I get information is when I need the FFL's info that I am shipping it too. I have never had a problem.

    Can you post a link to your listing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleveland View Post
    Can you post a link to your listing?
    I'll PM you the link. Would post it directly, but don't want to get yelled at by the mods for not following the rules. If anyone else is interested in the link, PM me and I'll get it right back to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaurusToter View Post
    Would post it directly, but don't want to get yelled at by the mods for not following the rules.
    Yes, they don't allow people to sell stuff. I don't think there is a rule against a member posting a random link to a neat find though. Speaking of neat finds, I found this 9mm on armslist recently:

    http://www.armslist.com/posts/178878...er-and-holster

    It's not mine and I have never meet the owner of this 9mm personally. I do wish them well though!
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