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nov 1 meet up at the DOJ
- Thread starter oliverclotheshoff
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Outdoorsman1
Regular Member
I could be wrong but...
Before the DOJ pulled their crap with the emergency rules I think it was said that the applications would only be avialble online @ the DOJ website or by mail. I also remeber something about them becoming available on Nov. 1st and not before. If any of this still holds true any online applications will not be available until Nov. 1..... ?????
Edited to add: Somebody (I.K.?) did say something about showing up with a laptop and a printer to be able to actually print applications on the spot....????
Outdoorsman1
Before the DOJ pulled their crap with the emergency rules I think it was said that the applications would only be avialble online @ the DOJ website or by mail. I also remeber something about them becoming available on Nov. 1st and not before. If any of this still holds true any online applications will not be available until Nov. 1..... ?????
Edited to add: Somebody (I.K.?) did say something about showing up with a laptop and a printer to be able to actually print applications on the spot....????
Outdoorsman1
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E6chevron
Regular Member
We will have a group of people at the Wisconsin Capitol who are pushing for their rights. Based on earlier events in Madison this year, will that make us eligible for the free pizza?
I know we should not bring baloons inside.
Those who are submitting CCW applications, need to keep in mind, that they will have no special legal standing until the licenses are approved by the DOJ and mailed back to them. Make SURE, your O.C. weapon isn't covered up by a jacket or a shirt.
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The DOJ Concealed Carry Law web page http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp still says that applications will not be available until Nov. 1, 2011.
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The approved DOJ rules state:
JUS 17.04 (1)(f) Conduct a background check of the applicant pursuant to s. 175.60(9g), Stats., for the purpose of determining whether issuance of a license to the applicant is prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats. If issuance of a license is not prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats., the department shall issue the license, assign a license number to the licensee, and promptly send the license document to the licensee by 1st class mail.
If issuance of a license is prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats., the department shall deny the application and proceed under sub. (2).
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So don't expect to receive a license in your hand, at all.
I know we should not bring baloons inside.
Those who are submitting CCW applications, need to keep in mind, that they will have no special legal standing until the licenses are approved by the DOJ and mailed back to them. Make SURE, your O.C. weapon isn't covered up by a jacket or a shirt.
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The DOJ Concealed Carry Law web page http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp still says that applications will not be available until Nov. 1, 2011.
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The approved DOJ rules state:
JUS 17.04 (1)(f) Conduct a background check of the applicant pursuant to s. 175.60(9g), Stats., for the purpose of determining whether issuance of a license to the applicant is prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats. If issuance of a license is not prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats., the department shall issue the license, assign a license number to the licensee, and promptly send the license document to the licensee by 1st class mail.
If issuance of a license is prohibited under s. 175.60(3)(b), (c), (d), or (e), Stats., the department shall deny the application and proceed under sub. (2).
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So don't expect to receive a license in your hand, at all.
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paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
Thanks for the reminder. I believe we all knew that, however.
Outdoorsman1
Regular Member
+1
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xenophon
Regular Member
That would be awesome. All depends on when they make the app available.
HandyHamlet
Regular Member
Please see here:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?96034-November-1-Breakfast-location...!
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?96034-November-1-Breakfast-location...!
BROKENSPROKET
Regular Member
I think 8am is way too early. What if they don't have applications available on-line or in person til noon? If they are availble on-line at midnight (12:01 AM 11/1/2011) that would be good, but it might end up being 11:59 PM 11/01/2011.
If they are avaible at midnight, several of us will be printing off extras for anyone that show up at the breakfast meet-up without one. If not, we might be screwed.
BROKENSPROKET
Regular Member
I_K said that he would from his hotel room. He will prpbabaly be checked out before the meet-up. I was planning too aswell, but might end up driving down in the morning. Depends on how much money I have.
Is there even Wi-Fi access around Capital Square?
I bet Jolene or another staffer would print some off for us if we needed them.
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HandyHamlet
Regular Member
Personally I agree, just because I'm like a crack of noon sort of guy. I do not do early am if I don't have to. Having said that, I am willing to make the personal sacrifice in this instance. I guess this is why we are hooking up for breakfast first? To see if we actually have applications? If the DOJ does not provide applications by early morning we could hang out with outdoorsman1 on the sidewalk. Or tour the city?
As far as soliciting sex... that seems a tad risky. However, last time I was there I was informed by the locals of that massage parlor over that dive bar about two blocks from the Capitol. The Rising Sun or something?
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oliverclotheshoff
Regular Member
they were raided and shut down a couple years ago unless they have reopened
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
As the day approaches, I hope that we will get confirmation of when/where they will be available.
I have the whole day free. If we show up at 8:00 and we don't have forms, and we get government officials to show up as well, we can exert pressure on the powers that be.
HandyHamlet
Regular Member
Dammit. Always a day late and a dollar short. Looks like freezing our nuts off with outdoorsman1 on the side walk it is.
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Jason in WI
Regular Member
Thinking about making the pilgrimage also. Not sure yet. My dad also seems to want to come even if his Utah permit isn't back by then, told me he even wants to open carry with us 
. Weird he's always been a concealed carry type.
What hotels are you guys staying at? Anything planned for the night before?
Like Handy I'm a noonish man myself and staying over night sounds allot better then leaving very, very early to make breakfast.
. Weird he's always been a concealed carry type.What hotels are you guys staying at? Anything planned for the night before?
Like Handy I'm a noonish man myself and staying over night sounds allot better then leaving very, very early to make breakfast.
Outdoorsman1
Regular Member
And...
To be clear.... I am STILL waiting for official DOJ confirmation that they will be accepting applications in person. I think we pretty much got getting a copy of the application covered by someone bringing a laptop and a printer. BUT, if the DOJ will not accept applications in person ("By Mail Only"), or if the applications are not going to be available online umtil anybody's best guess (need confirmation from DOJ they will be avaiable (very) early AM on Nov. 1), then I will not be there.... As in the only reason I would be there is to be able to hand in my application in person realitively early Tuesday morning. I will be calling the DOJ as time get closer to try and confirm my questions. I will post here (or in a new thread) whatever I find out...
On a side note... I think it is kinda ironic that Handy's comments earlier were deleted but the same comment shows up in quotes of his original jsut a couple of posts later....
Outdoorsman1
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oliverclotheshoff
Regular Member
im trying to call and confirm but all i get is please hold your call will be answered in the order it was received message
Outdoorsman1
Regular Member
Yea... figures... thanks for trying. I will start my calling next week as to anything said this week might change by next week. I suppose for that matter... anything said next week could change by Nov. 1.... :banghead:
Outdoorsman1
HandyHamlet
Regular Member
I just blew a call into Cindy (same Cindy everyone is talking to I guess) at Van Hollen's office. She picked it right up.
She said the applications could be turned in at her office, check or money order only, and she has no idea when the applications will be available online but is guessing the start of the business day. She also said they are completely aware that people are planning on getting there "at 12:01" to turn in their permits.
She was laughing and seems nice. Maybe she should be the attorney general. Although she has no new info she has confirmed everything already posted.
She said the applications could be turned in at her office, check or money order only, and she has no idea when the applications will be available online but is guessing the start of the business day. She also said they are completely aware that people are planning on getting there "at 12:01" to turn in their permits.
She was laughing and seems nice. Maybe she should be the attorney general. Although she has no new info she has confirmed everything already posted.
GlockRDH
Regular Member
If the forms arent available until the start of business that day, we COULD hang at Ellies UNTIL we get the froms then head to the DOJ...
oliverclotheshoff
Regular Member
way to go handy is she located in the risser or the capitol office she never specified wheni called
hang at ellies or go for a short walk around
hang at ellies or go for a short walk around
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