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    Another reason to love Starbucks

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/16/news...yes&hpt=hp_bn4

    During the 2008 election cycle, more than $5.2 billion was spent by candidates, political parties and interest groups, according to data compiled by the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/op...ions.html?_r=2

    He is basically asking other big name CEO's to stop any and all campaign contributions for all political figures until something is done about the debt. I like his thinking!

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package.../starbucks.pdf
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    I have been reading about this...over a Starbucks brew. I think the business community needs to take part in forcing the hands of this cluster-F-k political situation here.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I have been reading about this...over a Starbucks brew. I think the business community needs to take part in forcing the hands of this cluster-F-k political situation here.
    Especially since so many do not seem to be listening to we the people.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Especially since so many do not seem to be listening to we the people.

    They should listen to the people, I agree:

    "According to the poll, 63 percent say the super committee should call for increased taxes on higher-income Americans and businesses, with 36 percent disagreeing. And by a 57 to 40 percent margin they say the committee's deficit reduction proposal should include major cuts in domestic spending."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...spending-cuts/

    Republicans appear to be more on the wrong side of the American people, considering, Democrats have compromised for domestic cuts, and yet the Republicans insist - at their political peril - that the rich not pay more in taxes. Republicans are playing political roulette (with a semi-auto), and they are going to blow their political heads off, mark my words.
    Last edited by Beretta92FSLady; 08-17-2011 at 05:37 PM.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    They should listen to the people, I agree:

    "According to the poll, 63 percent say the super committee should call for increased taxes on higher-income Americans and businesses, with 36 percent disagreeing. And by a 57 to 40 percent margin they say the committee's deficit reduction proposal should include major cuts in domestic spending."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...spending-cuts/

    Republicans appear to be more on the wrong side of the American people, considering, Democrats have compromised for domestic cuts, and yet the Republicans insist - at their political peril - that the rich not pay more in taxes. Republicans are playing political roulette (with a semi-auto), and they are going to blow their political heads off, mark my words.
    THe problem is not so much the republicans! You see. The margin between the rich and the poor is growing daily. The middle class is almost completely non existant. You cant really tax the poor to fund programs because the the poor cant afford any more taxes. You cant start taxing the rich more because they pay for all of our salaries. Lets face it... there isnt a company out there who isnt ready to move Overseas should tax benefits run out.

    A great example is Boeing. The City of renton gave them tax cuts to create a plant in their area to provide jobs to the locals. At one point a few years ago the city of Renton told Boeing they were considering halting the tax benefits. Boeing replied by stating if their tax benefits were halted they would abandon the plant. Renton tried to call their bluff by halting their taxbenefits thus Boeing abandoned the plant within a 2 month period.
    "So there I was between a rock and a hard place, when it hit me... What am I doing on this side of the rock?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Especially since so many do not seem to be listening to we the people.
    Ever since the Supreme Court wrongly ruled corporations have the same rights to government access as The People, our voice has largely been drowned out.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Ever since the Supreme Court wrongly ruled corporations have the same rights to government access as The People, our voice has largely been drowned out.
    Cite?

    It is easy to demonstrate that corporations are not recognized has having the same rights as people: They cannot vote.

    However, as corporations are made up of people and act on behalf of people, restricting their right to speak, even in the form of choosing which candidates to support with cash, would be restricting the right of speech for those underlying people. (I assume that this the ruling that you are lamenting and misrepresenting.)

    The ruling was a step in the right direction. All should be allowed to give whatever they want to whomever they want--with full disclosure being required. The only restriction I could think of that would be reasonable--and not a violation of the 1A--would be restricting organizations that requires dues (under force of law) from their membership using that money in any way that the membership has not specifically approved. Every individual should be able to opt out, getting their share of any repugnant contributions refunded to them in cash. To do otherwise actually infringes on their speech, forcing them to share the burden of contributions against their will under force of law.

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