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    Sikh's.... a culture of open carry

    So, I hear a bunch of crap about anyone wearing a headdress...hadji, *********, etc...

    I'd like to bring some perspective into things, in particular Sikhs...

    I always wondered why, most 7-11's I went to, I was praised/welcomed/etc, even though they knew I wasn't an officer. After many encounters, I started inquiring why... It wasn't until I noticed one guy wearing his Kirpan that I put it together... a lot of them were Orthodox (traditional) Sikhs. One of their 'commandments' is to protect those who are unable to protect themselves, and they take that seriously.. much like most of us do... Their Kirpan is also to be used only when absolutely necessary to protect oneself or others, or from tyranny..


    The guiding principles of the Sikh faith are Truth, Equality, Freedom, Justice, and Karma.And their daily prayers include the well-being of all of mankind. Protecting the religious and political rights of all people and preventing discrimination is an integral part of the Sikh faith.


    Fundamentally, we are brothers in arms..... Despite different beliefs, we share a lot of the same ideals.

    I have the utmost respect for them.

    I invite everyone to take some time to step outside of yourself for a second, and embrace others who share our ideals, who may not be what we consider our stereotypical open carrier.
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    Only ingornace would allow people to ascribe the term haji to a sikh

    The term is derived from "the haj" which is a muslim pilgramige to mecca and has nothing to do with the sikh faith.

    The inalienable righht to self defence is and always should be a human right not limited by scope of race, religion or location.
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    Correct me if i am wrong, but that is east indian ... a far cry from midle eastern cultures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong, but that is east indian ... a far cry from midle eastern cultures.

    Correct.

    However, ignorant people see a headdress and assume that anyone wearing one is middle eastern/muslim.

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    Yea I hear similar ignorant statements from time to time.

    I have known and worked for and with many Sikh's for a long time. They are a great culture and assimilate well into our "western" ways because many of their ideals are similar to ours. I have stated before that if I am bidding a new job and I know it is Sikh's or Punjabi folks I won't even think of concealing, I have had nothing but positive comments and experience with OC and guns and no fears what so ever that my experience will be a negative one.

    An interesting point is one reason Sikhism was founded was to protect themselves from Muslim invasion. Our very own Manu on this forum is from that culture and he has done a lot for OC and our community.

    Besides the food is awesome! And any one no matter what your culture or background any one is invited to their temple on the weekend for a meal.
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    Brothers in Arms

    Thank you Technoweenie for starting the thread.

    Prejudice and ignorance will only divide our numbers and brothers in arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong, but that is east indian ... a far cry from midle eastern cultures.
    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    Correct.

    However, ignorant people see a headdress and assume that anyone wearing one is middle eastern/muslim.
    Not only are the cultures different, the headdress is different. One is a turban that is ritually formed from a long piece of cloth, and the arab keffiyeh is merely a square of cloth put on the head and held in place with a rope band or agal. One is a religious symbol and the other was merely designed to keep sun and dust out of the face.

    Many of our ignorant citizens shouldn't be blamed for their lack of knowledge. Just remember who has been teaching them and what's important in our school system today. Things like Liberalism and Entitlements are far more important than learning about the other cultures in the World.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    protect those who are unable to protect themselves, and they take that seriously.. much like most of us do....
    I take it very seriously

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    The other day I saw an army guy in ACU's coming out of the liquor store with a beard and wearing a turban that was also in ACU pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong, but that is east indian ... a far cry from midle eastern cultures.
    The east indians were a big help, without them the pilgrims probably wouldnt have survived the whole winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    The east indians were a big help, without them the pilgrims probably wouldnt have survived the whole winter.
    Since I can't really tell over the internet on how you were expressing this, I need to ask: Are you joking or serious on this matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    The east indians were a big help, without them the pilgrims probably wouldnt have survived the whole winter.
    Not to mention starting their trading company helped other exploration.

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    I am going to throw a curve ball here, I know, this should go to NY, but...

    Yes, I have always been aware that Sikh's carry their "dagger" as part of their religous dress...and I have always wondered what happens in NYC? and Canada, with that unlicensed weapon (carried as a religous freedom?)

    I also wonder what happens in a federal court???

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    Quote Originally Posted by tannerwaterbury View Post
    Since I can't really tell over the internet on how you were expressing this, I need to ask: Are you joking or serious on this matter?
    Both....
    The East Indians helped gather food for the pilgrams so they could survive the winter. Squanto learned to speak english and he taught them to fish, and how to plant corn.
    They were Indians that lived on the eastern side of the country, east indians.


    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    I am going to throw a curve ball here, I know, this should go to NY, but...

    Yes, I have always been aware that Sikh's carry their "dagger" as part of their religous dress...and I have always wondered what happens in NYC? and Canada, with that unlicensed weapon (carried as a religous freedom?)

    I also wonder what happens in a federal court???
    We should claim open carry as a religeous dress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    I am going to throw a curve ball here, I know, this should go to NY, but...

    Yes, I have always been aware that Sikh's carry their "dagger" as part of their religous dress...and I have always wondered what happens in NYC? and Canada, with that unlicensed weapon (carried as a religous freedom?)

    I also wonder what happens in a federal court???
    The answer for Canada:

    In most public places in Canada a kirpan is allowed, although there have been some court cases involving the carrying of the object on school premises. In the 2006 Supreme Court of Canada decision of Multani v. Commission scolaire Marguerite‑Bourgeoys the court held that the banning of the kirpan in a school environment offended Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, nor could the limitation be upheld under s. 1 of the Charter, as per R. v. Oakes.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#Canada

    And for New York:

    Courts in New York and Ohio have ruled that banning the wearing of a kirpan is unconstitutional.[13] In New York City a compromise was reached with the Board of Education whereby the wearing of the knives was allowed so long as they were secured within the sheaths with adhesives and made impossible to draw.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan#...tes_of_America

    It is apparent that Countries place more value protecting those parts of their Constitution (or similar charter) regarding religious freedoms than those protecting other rights.

    The problem with using the "religious requirement" to carry a firearm is the dominance of mainstream religions in this country. Any "new" religion would merely be deemed a "cult" and dismissed by those in power.

    It is possible, after all, look at the religion founded by Joseph Smith. Of course even after over 150 years they still can't get polygamy accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    Fundamentally, we are brothers in arms..... Despite different beliefs, we share a lot of the same ideals.

    I have the utmost respect for them.
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    How do you feel about them carrying in school's that have mostley banned any other American religeons from being practiced, and have even ommited "under God" from the pledge of allegiance, or have stopped saying the pledge completley?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/01...dagger-school/

    The school my daughter went to, she asked the teacher why they didnt say the pledge like they did in her last school. Her teacher told her, because she didnt want to offend all the other students that are not Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    SNIP The school my daughter went to, she asked the teacher why they didnt say the pledge like they did in her last school. Her teacher told her, because she didnt want to offend all the other students that are not Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    How do you feel about them carrying in school's that have mostley banned any other American religeons from being practiced, and have even ommited "under God" from the pledge of allegiance, or have stopped saying the pledge completley?
    Good riddance; the pledge is a socialist dream not at all in line with American history.

    You do know it's not a founding document of America, right? It was coined in 1892 by a socialist, who somewhat hypocritically urged its adoption so he could sell more flags. The phrase "under God" wasn't even in the pledge until it was officially added 60 years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    Good riddance; the pledge is a socialist dream not at all in line with American history.

    You do know it's not a founding document of America, right? It was coined in 1892 by a socialist, who somewhat hypocritically urged its adoption so he could sell more flags. The phrase "under God" wasn't even in the pledge until it was officially added 60 years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Both....
    The East Indians helped gather food for the pilgrams so they could survive the winter. Squanto learned to speak english and he taught them to fish, and how to plant corn.
    They were Indians that lived on the eastern side of the country, east indians.
    Y'all got yer injuns mixed up there, pardner.

    American Indians are West Indians. Indians (the real Indians, from India, the blokes Columbus et alwere actually looking for and thought they found) are East Indians. That's why the Caribbean islands have been called the West Indies:

    I think the Canuks have it right here. The term "First Nations" is much more accurate and so much less confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Y'all got yer injuns mixed up there, pardner.

    American Indians are West Indians. Indians (the real Indians, from India, the blokes Columbus et alwere actually looking for and thought they found) are East Indians. That's why the Caribbean islands have been called the West Indies:

    I think the Canuks have it right here. The term "First Nations" is much more accurate and so much less confusing.
    He was just conserving words. He meant "East Coast Indians"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Y'all got yer injuns mixed up there, pardner.

    American Indians are West Indians. Indians (the real Indians, from India, the blokes Columbus et alwere actually looking for and thought they found) are East Indians. That's why the Caribbean islands have been called the West Indies:

    I think the Canuks have it right here. The term "First Nations" is much more accurate and so much less confusing.
    Are you referring to the North American nieghbors upstairs, in Canadia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Are you referring to the North American nieghbors upstairs, in Canadia?
    No, I am referring to the hockey tram. Everyone knows they run cananadada.


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    Getting back to the topic, if you really want to see a bunch of Sikh's, go to Vancouver (Canada). Sometimes one can get the feeling that they made a wrong turn and ended up in India.
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