Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: LEOs vs. Dogs

  1. #1
    Regular Member SFCRetired's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Montgomery, Alabama, USA
    Posts
    1,770

    LEOs vs. Dogs

    I do not want nor intend this to be a cop-bashing. I just want to know if anyone else is observing what I think I am observing.

    On several different sites, I am seeing quite a few reports of police shooting family pets. It seems to be a trend that, if a dog is unrestrained when officers enter a property, they almost automatically shoot the animal. Can someone tell me if this is true or is this just my perception?

  2. #2
    Regular Member John Canuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Posts
    297

  3. #3
    Founder's Club Member thebigsd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Quarryville, PA
    Posts
    3,543
    Even with the above cited examples I would think that it is a rare occurance. I think it gets the attention of the news because it doesn't happen very often and thus is newsworthy. Plus the events are emotionally charged which makes good news. Do I think it's okay for the police to shoot family pets? That depends entirely on the specifics of each situation and I don't think anyone can give a blanket answer.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

  4. #4
    Regular Member John Canuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Posts
    297
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Even with the above cited examples I would think that it is a rare occurance. I think it gets the attention of the news because it doesn't happen very often and thus is newsworthy. Plus the events are emotionally charged which makes good news. Do I think it's okay for the police to shoot family pets? That depends entirely on the specifics of each situation and I don't think anyone can give a blanket answer.

    You might be right. Here's another installment.

    http://planetmoron.typepad.com/plane...gs-472011.html

  5. #5
    Regular Member Deanimator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Rocky River, OH, U.S.A.
    Posts
    2,086
    Some cops seem to derive an unhealthy pleasure from shooting dogs. That certainly seems to have been the case in the Berwyn Heights attack on the mayor of that city. The residents of the home were then forced to lie in the blood of the slaughtered dogs.

    They say that people like Jeffrey Dahmer start out torturing and killing domestic animals...

  6. #6
    Regular Member Gunslinger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Free, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    3,855
    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    Some cops seem to derive an unhealthy pleasure from shooting dogs. That certainly seems to have been the case in the Berwyn Heights attack on the mayor of that city. The residents of the home were then forced to lie in the blood of the slaughtered dogs.

    They say that people like Jeffrey Dahmer start out torturing and killing domestic animals...
    Yeah, hero cops that shoot someone's pet. **** them for the scum they are.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

  7. #7
    Regular Member usamarshal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    252
    haha...female cop misidentifies lab for mountain lion...to funny man

  8. #8
    Campaign Veteran since9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    6,787
    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    I do not want nor intend this to be a cop-bashing. I just want to know if anyone else is observing what I think I am observing.

    On several different sites, I am seeing quite a few reports of police shooting family pets. It seems to be a trend that, if a dog is unrestrained when officers enter a property, they almost automatically shoot the animal. Can someone tell me if this is true or is this just my perception?
    The general police policy when breaking and entering, er, serving a warrant, is to shoot anything deemed a credible threat. Three-year-old hiding behind Daddy - not a threat. Angry wife yelling at the entry? Potential threat, yes, but probably not credible against an armored S.W.A.T. unit unless she's armed. Two-hundred-fifty-lb well-muscled and raging mad homeowner running toward the unit - that's a threat.

    Dogs can be threats, as well, but that varies largely with the dog. A toy poodle isn't a credible threat. It's not like the team could ever hit such a small target, anyway. As a matter of principle, however, a single bite from any number of medium or full-size dogs can be severe enough to rip flesh from bone, cause blindness, rip off one's face, or tear a juggler resulting in death. They're not a threat to be taken lightly.

    On the other hand, why shoot to kill? Just taser the dang thing. While you're at it, why doesn't someone invent a taser-tranq? The taser dart would inject a fast-acting knockout drug, as well as a long-lasting muscle-paralyzing tranquilizer. That way when S.W.A.T. or the DA that sent them realizes the folks weren't the suspects they thought they were, they can at least enjoy the comfort of poochie after having their 4a rights violated all the way to hell and back, without going through the hell of loosing one's family pet.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

  9. #9
    Regular Member Badger Johnson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    1,217
    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    The general police policy when breaking and entering, er, serving a warrant, is to shoot anything deemed a credible threat. Three-year-old hiding behind Daddy - not a threat. Angry wife yelling at the entry? Potential threat, yes, but probably not credible against an armored S.W.A.T. unit unless she's armed. Two-hundred-fifty-lb well-muscled and raging mad homeowner running toward the unit - that's a threat.

    Dogs can be threats, as well, but that varies largely with the dog. A toy poodle isn't a credible threat. It's not like the team could ever hit such a small target, anyway. As a matter of principle, however, a single bite from any number of medium or full-size dogs can be severe enough to rip flesh from bone, cause blindness, rip off one's face, or tear a juggler resulting in death. They're not a threat to be taken lightly.

    On the other hand, why shoot to kill? Just taser the dang thing. While you're at it, why doesn't someone invent a taser-tranq? The taser dart would inject a fast-acting knockout drug, as well as a long-lasting muscle-paralyzing tranquilizer. That way when S.W.A.T. or the DA that sent them realizes the folks weren't the suspects they thought they were, they can at least enjoy the comfort of poochie after having their 4a rights violated all the way to hell and back, without going through the hell of loosing one's family pet.
    Hah, good points.

    (Uh, it's Jugular [vein] and 'losing', not juggler and loosing. )
    A gun in a holster is better than one drawn and dispensing bullets. Concealed forces the latter. - ixtow

    Hi, I'm hypercritical. But I mean no harm, I just like to try to look deeply at life

  10. #10
    Campaign Veteran Verd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Lampe, Missouri, United States
    Posts
    381
    Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer for shooting a sleeping dog under animal cruelty or whatnot? I know, from talking to my sherrif, that while I can kill any animal that wanders onto my property at will, noone legally can kill any animal on my property whether the animal belongs to me, to the one wishing to kill said animal, or is a wild one.

  11. #11
    Campaign Veteran since9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    6,787
    Quote Originally Posted by Verd View Post
    Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer...
    Technically speaking, yes, you can, even though in some municipalities that's specifically prohibited by law. However, you'd not only better darn well be right, but you'd better darn well have dozens of witnesses who're willing to help you, as well as testify on your behalf. About the only way one could get away with this is if his actions were grossly out of line and thoroughly videotaped, you all tackled him, disarmed him, immobilized him, as several called 911 to report an LEO had "lost his mind and was being detained by a bunch of honest, law-abiding citizens," and the responding police officers all though he was a dirtbag, scum, "it's about time someone caught him" attitude...

    As for the laws banning such action, it would fall to the greater good of the community as decided by a judge. Obviously, if I observed a cop raping a woman, I'd not hesitate to stop it, holding him at gunpoint while the victim called 911. If the victim refused to back me up 100%, however, I'd probably wind up in jail for having done the right thing.

    You see where I'm going with this? The idea of a citizen arresting a police office is about as uphill a battle as it gets.

    The best approach would be to take video of the officer's illegal actions and turn it over to a lawyer willing to buck the system.
    Last edited by since9; 08-20-2011 at 03:43 PM.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

  12. #12
    Regular Member okboomer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma, USA
    Posts
    1,164
    I always found a shot of pepper spray enough to change a charging pitbull into a cringing, whining, hiding pooch.

    I also called AC for a welfare check each time I had to do it
    cheers - okboomer
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Lead, follow, or get out of the way

    Exercising my 2A Rights does NOT make me a CRIMINAL! Infringing on the exercise of those rights makes YOU one!

  13. #13
    Regular Member hermannr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Okanogan Highland
    Posts
    2,332
    The link is here somewhere, but I can't find it right now...anyway, warrent, wrong house, little kid wants to secure the family lab, cop shoots lab (not being aggressive) handcuffs and slams kids and adults, tears up house, finds nothing (of course, wrong house.)

    Anyway, out of all the big money in the settlement that the government entity had to pay, were two line items I really liked...

    Cop had to pay $2000 out of his own funds for shooting the dog, and his supervisor had to pay $1000 out of his own funds.

  14. #14
    Regular Member Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Grennsboro NC
    Posts
    5,358
    Local LEOs are doing this because they are being TRAINED by DHS to do it this way. ANY living creature that offers ANY sort of resistance is considered a "direct threat to officer safety".

    And some of them are just corrupt, sociopathic whack-jobs...

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...n-shepherd-mix

    http://news.change.org/stories/bear-...ederal-officer

    http://youtu.be/8mvIWFXbHNo

    http://youtu.be/4kJVnA5KXJw

    http://youtu.be/8lqu0dmMWPw

    http://youtu.be/7EfztqLMjJw

    http://youtu.be/Lu1YB94gnBE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul8Bohn_Zk
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

  15. #15
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Or the cops in Desmoines Washington who decided to spend half a day hunting and killing a harmless family pet.

    http://www.seattledogspot.com/2011/0...to-kill-rosie/
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  16. #16
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    West Texas
    Posts
    596
    Quote Originally Posted by Verd View Post
    Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer for shooting a sleeping dog under animal cruelty or whatnot? I know, from talking to my sherrif, that while I can kill any animal that wanders onto my property at will, noone legally can kill any animal on my property whether the animal belongs to me, to the one wishing to kill said animal, or is a wild one.
    This would be a thin ice moment. Even if legal your going to have lots of trouble to follow.

  17. #17
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by MR Redenck View Post
    This would be a thin ice moment. Even if legal your going to have lots of trouble to follow.
    In Rosie's case they are seeking private prosecution. I eagerly await the outcome of that case, I have even talked to the lawyer because private prosecution is something that needs a come back.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  18. #18
    Regular Member John Canuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Posts
    297
    http://planetmoron.typepad.com/plane...s-8212011.html

    My favorite so far:

    August 16, 2011, St. Petersburg, Florida: Fearful for the safety of himself and others, St. Petersburg resident Albert J. Proctor shot and killed his wife’s dog which he said had been acting aggressively and had gone after a neighbor.* Upon determining that Mr. Proctor was not a law enforcement officer, he was charged with animal cruelty.

  19. #19
    Campaign Veteran since9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    6,787
    Upon determining that Mr. Proctor was not a law enforcement officer, he was charged with animal cruelty.
    Aha, there you go. LEOs are magically not even capable of animal cruelty, therefore the sole animal cruelty litmus test becomes whether one is an LEO or not.

    Good! Now that we got that settled, the entire board of PETA are guilty of animal cruelty, as they are not law enforcement officers!
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

  20. #20
    Regular Member Gunslinger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Free, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    3,855
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Local LEOs are doing this because they are being TRAINED by DHS to do it this way. ANY living creature that offers ANY sort of resistance is considered a "direct threat to officer safety".

    And some of them are just corrupt, sociopathic whack-jobs...

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...n-shepherd-mix

    http://news.change.org/stories/bear-...ederal-officer

    http://youtu.be/8mvIWFXbHNo

    http://youtu.be/4kJVnA5KXJw

    http://youtu.be/8lqu0dmMWPw

    http://youtu.be/7EfztqLMjJw

    http://youtu.be/Lu1YB94gnBE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul8Bohn_Zk
    Some of them are ******* pos that humanity would suffer no lose if they were blown away.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •