LEOs vs. Dogs

SFCRetired · Aug 19, 2011

I do not want nor intend this to be a cop-bashing. I just want to know if anyone else is observing what I think I am observing.

On several different sites, I am seeing quite a few reports of police shooting family pets. It seems to be a trend that, if a dog is unrestrained when officers enter a property, they almost automatically shoot the animal. Can someone tell me if this is true or is this just my perception?

John Canuck · Aug 19, 2011

War on Dogs?

http://planetmoron.typepad.com/planet_moron/2011/05/the-war-on-dogs-5102011.html

thebigsd · Aug 19, 2011

John Canuck said:
http://planetmoron.typepad.com/planet_moron/2011/05/the-war-on-dogs-5102011.html

Even with the above cited examples I would think that it is a rare occurance. I think it gets the attention of the news because it doesn't happen very often and thus is newsworthy. Plus the events are emotionally charged which makes good news. Do I think it's okay for the police to shoot family pets? That depends entirely on the specifics of each situation and I don't think anyone can give a blanket answer.

John Canuck · Aug 19, 2011

thebigsd said:
Even with the above cited examples I would think that it is a rare occurance. I think it gets the attention of the news because it doesn't happen very often and thus is newsworthy. Plus the events are emotionally charged which makes good news. Do I think it's okay for the police to shoot family pets? That depends entirely on the specifics of each situation and I don't think anyone can give a blanket answer.

You might be right. Here's another installment.

http://planetmoron.typepad.com/planet_moron/2011/04/the-war-on-dogs-472011.html

Deanimator · Aug 19, 2011

Some cops seem to derive an unhealthy pleasure from shooting dogs. That certainly seems to have been the case in the Berwyn Heights attack on the mayor of that city. The residents of the home were then forced to lie in the blood of the slaughtered dogs.

They say that people like Jeffrey Dahmer start out torturing and killing domestic animals...

Gunslinger · Aug 19, 2011

Deanimator said:
Some cops seem to derive an unhealthy pleasure from shooting dogs. That certainly seems to have been the case in the Berwyn Heights attack on the mayor of that city. The residents of the home were then forced to lie in the blood of the slaughtered dogs.

They say that people like Jeffrey Dahmer start out torturing and killing domestic animals...

Yeah, hero cops that shoot someone's pet. **** them for the scum they are.

usamarshal · Aug 19, 2011

haha...female cop misidentifies lab for mountain lion...to funny man

since9 · Aug 20, 2011

SFCRetired said:
I do not want nor intend this to be a cop-bashing. I just want to know if anyone else is observing what I think I am observing.

On several different sites, I am seeing quite a few reports of police shooting family pets. It seems to be a trend that, if a dog is unrestrained when officers enter a property, they almost automatically shoot the animal. Can someone tell me if this is true or is this just my perception?

The general police policy when breaking and entering, er, serving a warrant, is to shoot anything deemed a credible threat. Three-year-old hiding behind Daddy - not a threat. Angry wife yelling at the entry? Potential threat, yes, but probably not credible against an armored S.W.A.T. unit unless she's armed. Two-hundred-fifty-lb well-muscled and raging mad homeowner running toward the unit - that's a threat.

Dogs can be threats, as well, but that varies largely with the dog. A toy poodle isn't a credible threat. It's not like the team could ever hit such a small target, anyway. As a matter of principle, however, a single bite from any number of medium or full-size dogs can be severe enough to rip flesh from bone, cause blindness, rip off one's face, or tear a juggler resulting in death. They're not a threat to be taken lightly.

On the other hand, why shoot to kill? Just taser the dang thing. While you're at it, why doesn't someone invent a taser-tranq? The taser dart would inject a fast-acting knockout drug, as well as a long-lasting muscle-paralyzing tranquilizer. That way when S.W.A.T. or the DA that sent them realizes the folks weren't the suspects they thought they were, they can at least enjoy the comfort of poochie after having their 4a rights violated all the way to hell and back, without going through the hell of loosing one's family pet.

Badger Johnson · Aug 20, 2011

since9 said:
The general police policy when breaking and entering, er, serving a warrant, is to shoot anything deemed a credible threat. Three-year-old hiding behind Daddy - not a threat. Angry wife yelling at the entry? Potential threat, yes, but probably not credible against an armored S.W.A.T. unit unless she's armed. Two-hundred-fifty-lb well-muscled and raging mad homeowner running toward the unit - that's a threat.

Dogs can be threats, as well, but that varies largely with the dog. A toy poodle isn't a credible threat. It's not like the team could ever hit such a small target, anyway. As a matter of principle, however, a single bite from any number of medium or full-size dogs can be severe enough to rip flesh from bone, cause blindness, rip off one's face, or tear a juggler resulting in death. They're not a threat to be taken lightly.

On the other hand, why shoot to kill? Just taser the dang thing. While you're at it, why doesn't someone invent a taser-tranq? The taser dart would inject a fast-acting knockout drug, as well as a long-lasting muscle-paralyzing tranquilizer. That way when S.W.A.T. or the DA that sent them realizes the folks weren't the suspects they thought they were, they can at least enjoy the comfort of poochie after having their 4a rights violated all the way to hell and back, without going through the hell of loosing one's family pet.

Hah, good points.

(Uh, it's Jugular [vein] and 'losing', not juggler and loosing. )

Verd · Aug 20, 2011

Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer for shooting a sleeping dog under animal cruelty or whatnot? I know, from talking to my sherrif, that while I can kill any animal that wanders onto my property at will, noone legally can kill any animal on my property whether the animal belongs to me, to the one wishing to kill said animal, or is a wild one.

since9 · Aug 20, 2011

Verd said:
Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer...

Technically speaking, yes, you can, even though in some municipalities that's specifically prohibited by law. However, you'd not only better darn well be right, but you'd better darn well have dozens of witnesses who're willing to help you, as well as testify on your behalf. About the only way one could get away with this is if his actions were grossly out of line and thoroughly videotaped, you all tackled him, disarmed him, immobilized him, as several called 911 to report an LEO had "lost his mind and was being detained by a bunch of honest, law-abiding citizens," and the responding police officers all though he was a dirtbag, scum, "it's about time someone caught him" attitude...

As for the laws banning such action, it would fall to the greater good of the community as decided by a judge. Obviously, if I observed a cop raping a woman, I'd not hesitate to stop it, holding him at gunpoint while the victim called 911. If the victim refused to back me up 100%, however, I'd probably wind up in jail for having done the right thing.

You see where I'm going with this? The idea of a citizen arresting a police office is about as uphill a battle as it gets.

The best approach would be to take video of the officer's illegal actions and turn it over to a lawyer willing to buck the system.

okboomer · Aug 22, 2011

I always found a shot of pepper spray enough to change a charging pitbull into a cringing, whining, hiding pooch.

I also called AC for a welfare check each time I had to do it :lol:

hermannr · Aug 22, 2011

The link is here somewhere, but I can't find it right now...anyway, warrent, wrong house, little kid wants to secure the family lab, cop shoots lab (not being aggressive) handcuffs and slams kids and adults, tears up house, finds nothing (of course, wrong house.)

Anyway, out of all the big money in the settlement that the government entity had to pay, were two line items I really liked...

Cop had to pay $2000 out of his own funds for shooting the dog, and his supervisor had to pay $1000 out of his own funds.

Dreamer · Aug 22, 2011

Local LEOs are doing this because they are being TRAINED by DHS to do it this way. ANY living creature that offers ANY sort of resistance is considered a "direct threat to officer safety".

And some of them are just corrupt, sociopathic whack-jobs...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...00803_1_dog-park-bear-australian-shepherd-mix

http://news.change.org/stories/bear-bear-shot-at-dog-park-by-off-duty-federal-officer

http://youtu.be/8mvIWFXbHNo

http://youtu.be/4kJVnA5KXJw

http://youtu.be/8lqu0dmMWPw

http://youtu.be/7EfztqLMjJw

http://youtu.be/Lu1YB94gnBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul8Bohn_Zk

sudden valley gunner · Aug 22, 2011

Or the cops in Desmoines Washington who decided to spend half a day hunting and killing a harmless family pet.

http://www.seattledogspot.com/2011/01/07/video-shows-des-moines-police-intended-to-kill-rosie/

MR Redenck · Aug 22, 2011

Verd said:
Can you Citizen's Arrest a police officer for shooting a sleeping dog under animal cruelty or whatnot? I know, from talking to my sherrif, that while I can kill any animal that wanders onto my property at will, noone legally can kill any animal on my property whether the animal belongs to me, to the one wishing to kill said animal, or is a wild one.

This would be a thin ice moment. Even if legal your going to have lots of trouble to follow.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 23, 2011

MR Redenck said:
This would be a thin ice moment. Even if legal your going to have lots of trouble to follow.

In Rosie's case they are seeking private prosecution. I eagerly await the outcome of that case, I have even talked to the lawyer because private prosecution is something that needs a come back.

John Canuck · Aug 23, 2011

http://planetmoron.typepad.com/planet_moron/2011/08/the-war-on-dogs-8212011.html

My favorite so far:

August 16, 2011, St. Petersburg, Florida: Fearful for the safety of himself and others, St. Petersburg resident Albert J. Proctor shot and killed his wife’s dog which he said had been acting aggressively and had gone after a neighbor.* Upon determining that Mr. Proctor was not a law enforcement officer, he was charged with animal cruelty.

since9 · Aug 24, 2011

Upon determining that Mr. Proctor was not a law enforcement officer, he was charged with animal cruelty.

Aha, there you go. LEOs are magically not even capable of animal cruelty, therefore the sole animal cruelty litmus test becomes whether one is an LEO or not.

Good! Now that we got that settled, the entire board of PETA are guilty of animal cruelty, as they are not law enforcement officers!

Gunslinger · Aug 24, 2011

Dreamer said:
Local LEOs are doing this because they are being TRAINED by DHS to do it this way. ANY living creature that offers ANY sort of resistance is considered a "direct threat to officer safety".

And some of them are just corrupt, sociopathic whack-jobs...

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...00803_1_dog-park-bear-australian-shepherd-mix

http://news.change.org/stories/bear-bear-shot-at-dog-park-by-off-duty-federal-officer

http://youtu.be/8mvIWFXbHNo

http://youtu.be/4kJVnA5KXJw

http://youtu.be/8lqu0dmMWPw

http://youtu.be/7EfztqLMjJw

http://youtu.be/Lu1YB94gnBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eul8Bohn_Zk

Some of them are ******* pos that humanity would suffer no lose if they were blown away.

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