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help with oc laws..

Glock9mmOldStyle

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according to my list, dearborn allows up to 3".

Sorry - looks like they updated it in July of 2003? One less to worry about.

http://library.municode.com/HTML/12...ARTVIIOFAGPUSA_DIV1GE_S14-259MASAPOCEWEOTDADE

After thought: even if a knife is of a legal size??? It gives an officer the chance to conjure up RAS if so desired. Because most men carry folders a officer simply has to say well I know I'm not supposed to stop "them" just because they are carrying properly holstered side arms but how did I know if the knife was legal or not without a search?
 
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Glock9mmOldStyle

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After thought: even if a knife is of a legal size??? It gives an officer the chance to conjure up RAS if so desired. Because most men carry folders a officer simply has to say well I know I'm not supposed to stop "them" just because they are carrying properly holstered side arms but how did I know if the knife was legal or not without a search?
 

DrTodd

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also were can i find info on carrying in a casino

Michigan CPl law is ONLY applicable to Detroit-area casinos. These are the only casinos regulated by this act. Additionally, I have not found any tribes that regulate pistols in their Gaming Ordinances. Some of their "local" ordinances are on-line; when firearms are mentioned they tend to list that they follow State of Michigan law, as they are cross-deputized. Also know that "Indian" Law/ Court jurisdiction does not apply to non-natives, so you could only be arrested for violation of Michigan law,... and the CPL law only applies to Non-native Casinos....,and that this would be prosecuted in a Michigan court.

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MCL 28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.Sec. 5o.
(1) Subject to subsection (4), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:
...
(2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1,
MCL 432.201 to 432.226.

The law this is referring to is the MICHIGAN GAMING CONTROL AND REVENUE ACT, which only regulates Detroit area casinos.

R 432.1212 Weapons in casino.
Rule 212. (1) An individual may not carry a firearm or other weapon in a
casino, except for the following entities:
(a) State, county, city, township, or village law enforcement officers, as
defined in section 2(e) of Act No. 203 of the Public Acts of 1965, as
amended, being § 28.601 et seq. of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(b) Federal law enforcement officers, as defined in 5 U.S.C. § 8331.
(c) Armored car personnel picking up or delivering currency at secured
areas.
(2) Law enforcement officers conducting official duties within a casino
shall, to the extent practicable, advise the Michigan state police gaming
section of their presence.
(3) Private casino security personnel may carry handcuffs while on duty in
a casino.
History: 1998-2000 AACS.



MICHIGAN GAMING CONTROL AND REVENUE ACT (EXCERPT)
Initiated Law 1 of 1996


MCL 432.201 Short title.Section 1.
Short Title.
This act shall be known and may be cited as the Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act.
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"Native American tribes are sovereign nations. As such, the State of Michigan does not have general regulatory authority over Indian casinos, although the State does have oversight authority over compliance with the State-Tribal Compact provisions. They are regulated by the National Indian Gaming Commission and the government of the appropriate tribal community." see:http://www.michigan.gov/mgcb



The only casinos regulated under the rules in the cpl law are those regulated under this act... which are the Detroit area casinos.
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Tribal Compacts: http://www.nigc.gov/Reading_Room/Compacts.aspx


Tribal law & Court Jurisdiction here: http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/jurisdiction.htm
 

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After thought: even if a knife is of a legal size??? It gives an officer the chance to conjure up RAS if so desired. Because most men carry folders a officer simply has to say well I know I'm not supposed to stop "them" just because they are carrying properly holstered side arms but how did I know if the knife was legal or not without a search?

You better wear it openly too. It could be a concealed weapon:

MCL 750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty.Sec. 227.
(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.
(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00.

According to my copy of Michigan Criminal Law and Procedure, page 125,

1. A "Dirk" is a straight knife with a pointed blade
2. A "Dagger" is a knife with a short-pointed blade
3. A "Stiletto" is a small dagger with a slender, tapering blade.
All of these are dangerous weapons "per se", which means by definition, they are a dangerous weapon and no intent to cause physical harm or injury is needed. Other instruments are dangerous if a jury decides they are, based upon the intent it was carried. If they are in a vehicle, they must be carried in a container inaccessible to the driver or any passengers.


So, make sure that you carry these items openly and remember too, that if you are in a vehicle, they must be carried in a container inaccessible to the driver or any passengers.


 

xmanhockey7

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After thought: even if a knife is of a legal size??? It gives an officer the chance to conjure up RAS if so desired. Because most men carry folders a officer simply has to say well I know I'm not supposed to stop "them" just because they are carrying properly holstered side arms but how did I know if the knife was legal or not without a search?

With that way of thinking he could come up take you're ID make sure you're not a felon and have a check run on the serial numbers on your gun to make sure it is leagl.
 

Glock9mmOldStyle

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With that way of thinking he could come up take you're ID make sure you're not a felon and have a check run on the serial numbers on your gun to make sure it is leagl.

This actually happened to a group of us in Warren..... It is amazing what some folks with little knowledge of the law and way too much time on their hands can do. Not bashing just stating facts.
 
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Venator

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You better wear it openly too. It could be a concealed weapon:

MCL 750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty.Sec. 227.
(1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person.
(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00.

According to my copy of Michigan Criminal Law and Procedure, page 125,

1. A "Dirk" is a straight knife with a pointed blade
2. A "Dagger" is a knife with a short-pointed blade
3. A "Stiletto" is a small dagger with a slender, tapering blade.
All of these are dangerous weapons "per se", which means by definition, they are a dangerous weapon and no intent to cause physical harm or injury is needed. Other instruments are dangerous if a jury decides they are, based upon the intent it was carried. If they are in a vehicle, they must be carried in a container inaccessible to the driver or any passengers.


So, make sure that you carry these items openly and remember too, that if you are in a vehicle, they must be carried in a container inaccessible to the driver or any passengers.

Where does it say you can transport a dagger in a vehicle at all? You can carry a dagger openly, but you can not transport them in any manner in a vehicle. Or did I miss that part.

I wonder how all those history re-enactors transport them to fairs and shows???
 
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