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    Cool Yellow Cat Course - Utah CFP + Optional NRA Basic Pistol Course - Monday, September 5

    This is the first of what may be many posts on classes I will teach in SE Wisconsin over Labor Day Weekend. It will involve the Utah Concealed Firearm Permit Course to be followed by the NRA Basic Pistol Course. Let me begin by thanking MKEGAL for agreeing to be my NRA assistant instructor.

    How it Works:

    Students meet at 10am at the park-n-ride at the East Troy Airport. At 10am you will be escorted onto the secure part of the airport. Parking is minimal inside the secure area, so students will be asked to car-pool with each other.

    The Utah Course will be taught first, but with Firearm Familiarity and Safety deferred to the last part of the class. Lesson Plan 1, 2, and 3 from the NRA Basic Pistol course will be used to satisfy the UT Firearms Safety and Familiarity part of the course. Students will be shown how to safely load and unload both revolvers and semi-automatic pistols. Those with minimal experience will practice loading semi-automatic pistils and revolvers using "dummy" ammunition. Then we take a break and I sign the UT applications and affix my seal. - Then - those who wish to leave may do so. Those who wish to complete either NRA Basic Pistol or NRA First Steps Pistol may stay for the remaining lesson plans and the live fire shoot at a range (yet to be obtained). We will work in lunch as we can, depending on how the course goes.

    I have enough student packets for 20 students for Basic NRA Pistol and 2 student packets for NRA First Steps - Pisol. I can order more, but there is no guarantee that they will arrive in time.

    Students wishing to take only the NRA Basic Pistol Course and NOT the UT Concealed Firearm Permit Course should PM me.

    All Students must download the Utah Required Training Materials

    Link: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/doc...0115162011.pdf

    All students must download the Utah Concealed Firearm Permit Application and have it filled out before class:

    Link: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/doc...CFPapp0611.pdf

    Students will meet at 10am at the park-n-ride at the East Troy Airport (Highway 20 at County Highway L). The airport is visible from the Highway 20 exit off of Interstate 43. At 10am, somebody will lead people into the secure part of the airport. Because parking is minimal, car-pooling should be used.

    Course Fees: (LACK OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES IS NO REASON NOT TO GET TRAINING - PM me if you want to make special arrangements.)

    Course Fees For The Utah Concealed Firearm Permit are: (Please note that the "spouse" fee also applies to adult children over the age of 21).

    Military Veteran with the Military Order of the Purple Heart - Course Fee = $10 (Spouse = $15)
    Military Veteran with the CIB (or equiv) Course Fee = $15 (Spouse = $20)
    Military Veteran - non combat - Course fee = $20 (Spouse = $25)
    Current Law Enforcement Officer - Course Fee = $20 (Spouse = $25)
    Wisconsin Carry Paid Member AND NRA Member = $20 (Spouse = $25)
    Wisconsin Carry Paid Member = $25 (Spouse = $30 - if not also a member of WI Carry)
    Person who is a member of a 2A group not NRA or WI Carry - Course fee = $35 (non member Spouse = $40)
    Citizen who is not a member of a 2A group and has not joined WI Carrry before the class - Course Fee = $40.

    NRA Courses (Basic Pistol and First Steps - Pistol) - All Students must pay the $30 MSRP for the Textbook, tests, and related training materials.

    Vet with Purple Heart = MSRP + $5
    Vet with CIB = MSRP +$10
    Vet - non combat = MSRP + $15
    LEO, or - WI CARRY + NRA = MSRP + $15
    WI CARRY = MSRP + $20
    Person who is a member of a 2A group that is not NRA or WI CARRY = MSRP +$25
    Citizen who is not a member of any 2A Group = MSRP + $40
    Spouses or adult children over 21 add $5 to the above groupings.

    All students who wish to attend should sign up on the NRA Training website. I have posted my courses online. Just go to the NRA website training page and enter zip code 53120 (East Troy Zip) and my courses will pop up. I expect to be doing other courses and those too will be posted on the NRA Website - both NRA courses and UT CFP Courses.

    Outdoorsman has a range we can use, BUT, it is a 50 minute drive from the classroom. Students who live near East Troy or Elkhorn can be a HERO if you can get something closer. Otherwise, there is a commercial range in Waukesha that MKEGAL uses. If we have to go to a commercial range, each student will be responsible for lane fees. While the UT course does not require live fire, each NRA Course does require live fire.

    Reminder - Lack of financial resources is NO REASON not to get training. Private Message (PM) me if you need to make special arrangements.

    Carry On my friends - Proudly carry on.

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    Link: http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx

    You will need to enter a zip code (53120) and two courses will come up for September. The other one advertises the course as meeting the WI requirements for a CCW Permit (true enough). His fee is $125 per student.

    I can see my course online even without entering as an NRA Instructor and I have had one student sign-up online already for both UT CFP and NRA Pistol.
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    "Permission Slips" from Utah, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida. _ Verily, thou shalt not fiddle with thine firearm whilst in the bathroom stall, lest thine spouse seek condolences from thine friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    Link: http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx

    You will need to enter a zip code (53120) and two courses will come up for September. The other one advertises the course as meeting the WI requirements for a CCW Permit (true enough). His fee is $125 per student.

    I can see my course online even without entering as an NRA Instructor and I have had one student sign-up online already for both UT CFP and NRA Pistol.
    Ahhh... in your 1st post you put 54120. 53120 works much better. You might want to fix 'Easst Troy'.

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    Well, I went to the link, but all I see is the Basic pistol class. I have three that need the Utah CPL. I am not sure how to sign-up for them?
    10AM on the 5th, I can't wait to shake your hand again.

    Thanks for all of your work Jim. You have to be one of the best NRA members/instructors I have ever even heard of.
    From Utah to Wisconsin, and you still only charge about the price of a dinner for the Utah CPL class.
    I wish the other "instructors" had your morals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronS View Post
    Well, I went to the link, but all I see is the Basic pistol class. I have three that need the Utah CPL. I am not sure how to sign-up for them?
    10AM on the 5th, I can't wait to shake your hand again.

    Thanks for all of your work Jim. You have to be one of the best NRA members/instructors I have ever even heard of.
    From Utah to Wisconsin, and you still only charge about the price of a dinner for the Utah CPL class.
    I wish the other "instructors" had your morals...
    I believe that is where he wants you to sign up. I signed up my wife and I. I already took the UT class so I will probably snooze during that and will wake up for the Basic Pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I believe that is where he wants you to sign up. I signed up my wife and I. I already took the UT class so I will probably snooze during that and will wake up for the Basic Pistol.
    Hi Paul,

    It is becoming clear that people cannot sign up for the UT Course online so I guess they just have to show up. People who have taken this course from me in the past may "audit" for free (or chip in and buy my lunch).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092
    people cannot sign up for the UT Course online so I guess they just have to show up.
    How about posting here or PMing you, so there's some clue of how many chairs to scrounge?
    (Oh, yeah - should people bring folding chairs again?)

    People who have taken this course from me in the past may "audit" for free (or chip in and buy my lunch).
    Just don't sit to the side & make smart remarks, or you'll end up being a 'training aide'...
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    Hey Jim, I did find this place http://trianglesportsmensclub.com/default.aspx. It does have a pistol range, but I have never heard of them before. If you want, I could give 'em a call to see if you could use the range. I have to be honest, not sure what the place would think about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronS View Post
    Hey Jim, I did find this place http://trianglesportsmensclub.com/default.aspx. It does have a pistol range, but I have never heard of them before. If you want, I could give 'em a call to see if you could use the range. I have to be honest, not sure what the place would think about it...
    Hi Aaron,

    You can certainly look into it, but from the website they seem a little bit unfriendly to newcomers.

    Jim
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    I left a message with Scott Martin, the head of the rifle and pistol range. I will let you know as soon as I get to talk to him. It sure would save some drive time, as it is also in East Troy.

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    Copied and pasted from there website....

    "Code of Conduct - Rifle & Pistol Ranges

    Daily shooting hours 10am - 6pm except Sundays June-September 12pm to 6pm. Shooting permittedat paper targets only on the provided blackboards. Guest shooting prohibited. No pistol shooting on the rifle rangel. No shotgun patterning, slugs only. All safe range practices must be strictly followed. Display your club emblem while on the range. any member shoot at cans, glass, plastic bottles or any other unauthorized target will have their membership revoked. "

    If anyone in here is a member that would be a big help in using this range. The range I have access to is only because I am a member of the club and need to be present when using the range. I am hoping this works out as to the advantage of the location.

    I also kinda sorta remember talking to "Old School" (member here) at one of the Delavan's Starbuck's meets about a place he knew about to shoot near Delavan..?????

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    The Range in delavan is the Delavan Sportsman Club. I know its 10 bucks to shoot all but they are only open sundays and tues. You may be able to get them to let us use the range on a monday if someone who is a member called. I never bought a membership so that leaves me out. Also it is an outdoor range dont know what the weather is gonna be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civilwarguy View Post
    The Range in delavan is the Delavan Sportsman Club. I know its 10 bucks to shoot all but they are only open sundays and tues. You may be able to get them to let us use the range on a monday if someone who is a member called. I never bought a membership so that leaves me out. Also it is an outdoor range dont know what the weather is gonna be like.
    I have an email in to them. They emailed back and said maybe. I am working on it.

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    What is the range qualification for a UT permit? I can't find any proffeciency requirements. Does that mean there are none?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    What is the range qualification for a UT permit?
    Range time not needed for Utah permit ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    What is the range qualification for a UT permit? I can't find any proffeciency requirements. Does that mean there are none?
    You are correct. 4 hours of classroom only.

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    To Clear This Question Up

    To be precise, although Utah law does not require range time or a shooting qualification, individual instructors may require range time at their discretion. I do not require range time, but if a range is available and a student wants help with something, I make myself available.

    NRA Pistol course requires range time.
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    Question How Many Openings Left?

    I have two people that wish to attend if there are still openings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    I have two people that wish to attend if there are still openings.
    There are still openings in both courses. I have made an additional order for NRA Student Packets, but it is unclear if they will arrive in time to increase the class size for the NRA Basic Pistol Course from 20 to 25 students. There is no limit to the student content of the UT Permit Class.

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    Thumbs up Sounds Good! They Will Be There!

    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    There are still openings in both courses. I have made an additional order for NRA Student Packets, but it is unclear if they will arrive in time to increase the class size for the NRA Basic Pistol Course from 20 to 25 students. There is no limit to the student content of the UT Permit Class.

    Jim
    OK...I'll PM you the details for the two who want to attend the Utah CCW course. Thanks!
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    Find a range yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I have an email in to them. They emailed back and said maybe. I am working on it.
    They got back to me. They basically said if they had a month or more advance notice it could of been arranged.

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