Encounter with Sheriffs Dept. on I 10 Stop

iroc4life · Aug 23, 2011

Im from MS and hold a CCW from MS.
I was driving down I10 in my shiny Red Corvette and doing a little over the limit. There were a lot of officers in an area but not a road block. I was clocked evidently as I was pulled over a few moments later. Officer came to the passenger side of the vehicle and asks for the normal Documents. As My father sat in the passenger side (also carrying concealed) I produced the Documents requested along with my CCW from MS. The officer asked if I was carrying at the time and I answered "yes sir" He politely asked what I was carrying and I told him I had a 1911 45 on my back and my father had a 40cal on his. The officer said ok, just keep you hands on the wheel and Ill just be a minute. He returned to his car and run my info. Upon return to the car he handed my documents to my dad and asked if I knew the laws for AL while travelling with a MS CCW, I replied "yes sir" and he said ok, Here is a warning for speeding, Have a nice trip. Kinda boring I know but it was good not to get a speeding ticket

thebigsd · Aug 23, 2011

Sounds like the encounter went exactly as it should. Are you required to notify or did you do it out of courtesy?

eye95 · Aug 23, 2011

In Alabama, no notification is required.

The officer may take is as a sign of respect to voluntarily tell him. I think this officer did.

However, I won't notify. Some officers don't like ordinary citizens carrying and will not react well.

SFCRetired · Aug 23, 2011

eye95 said:
In Alabama, no notification is required.

The officer may take is as a sign of respect to voluntarily tell him. I think this officer did.

However, I won't notify. Some officers don't like ordinary citizens carrying and will not react well.

Hit the nail right on the head. Unfortunately, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Gunslinger · Aug 23, 2011

I would notify, not required in CO, but I don't think there's a downside here. If the cop doesn't like it, we will have a conversation then, and I will with his superiors later. But, not likely here. Most would appreciate it, I think--especially in COS and El Paso County.

DocWalker · Aug 23, 2011

I would and have (the one time I was stopped) and got a warning for pulling out from a stop sign "a little to fast". I gave hime my license and registration along with my CCW. He asked me if I was armed and I told him yes, he thanked me for letting him know in advance of him running my license and he was relaxed about it.

When you are stopped they can run you Plates, DL, or just name and DOB through a computer system called ILETS. It is a national database and will show all your info to include if you have a CCW. It doesn't matter what state either as I used the system when I worked at a USAF base as armed security. When a truck driver would come through the search pit to have their vehicle checked for weapons, bombs, and such another officer would run their information. We have caught a number of felons and people with warrents this way. When someone popped up with a CC license we would just ask them if they had a firearm. No big deal but if you don't tell them and they run your license (which they will) they may be upset you didn't tell them in advance. Usally if your polite and not a smart azz then they will be polite, I know not always but I play the odds.

FTG-05 · Aug 23, 2011

eye95 said:
In Alabama, no notification is required.

The officer may take is as a sign of respect to voluntarily tell him. I think this officer did.

However, I won't notify. Some officers don't like ordinary citizens carrying and will not react well.

My opinion as well. It's just none of their business.

This changes, of course, if I'm every asked to step out of the vehicle; in that case, then I'll do the Mas Ayoob routine. I've never been asked to step out however, so pretty much that's a moot point.

AZkopper · Aug 23, 2011

All I can say is that out here it has been my experience that advising you are armed is a good way to get a warning as opposed to a ticket. We tend to appriciate citizens who take their responsibility to protect themselves seriously.

BigTzzy · Aug 24, 2011

DocWalker said:
I would and have (the one time I was stopped) and got a warning for pulling out from a stop sign "a little to fast". I gave hime my license and registration along with my CCW. He asked me if I was armed and I told him yes, he thanked me for letting him know in advance of him running my license and he was relaxed about it.

When you are stopped they can run you Plates, DL, or just name and DOB through a computer system called ILETS. It is a national database and will show all your info to include if you have a CCW. It doesn't matter what state either as I used the system when I worked at a USAF base as armed security. When a truck driver would come through the search pit to have their vehicle checked for weapons, bombs, and such another officer would run their information. We have caught a number of felons and people with warrents this way. When someone popped up with a CC license we would just ask them if they had a firearm. No big deal but if you don't tell them and they run your license (which they will) they may be upset you didn't tell them in advance. Usally if your polite and not a smart azz then they will be polite, I know not always but I play the odds.

Actually it is called NLETS...and you can only get info on a CCW if the state the person is from links it to their DLs. I know of no state that links the info to vehicle registration. Just saying.

P.S. I am a Communications Officer

iroc4life · Aug 24, 2011

I always give the ccw if I'm stopped for any reason just to ensure no misunderstandings in the event I an asked to exit the vehicle. Not that I am stopped a lot but have never had an issue to date doing so, or a ticket for that matter

I dint see the harm in the LEO knowing prior to any misunderstanding or confrontation

DocWalker · Aug 24, 2011

BigTzzy said:
Actually it is called NLETS...and you can only get info on a CCW if the state the person is from links it to their DLs. I know of no state that links the info to vehicle registration. Just saying.

P.S. I am a Communications Officer

A lot of it depends on how you look up the information in the system. If you input the full name, DOB, along with DL information you will get more information than just inputing the DL number. As you know the system is very quircky as it has to be inputed just right.

It doesn't really matter what you call it NLETS or ILETS it is the same system, and there are different ways to retrive the information from it.

I run out of state DL's all the time and they have fequently told me if someone had a CCW. Again I'm not overly concerned about people with CCW's as they usally follow the laws. It is the ones that don't follow the laws I worry about.

DocWalker · Aug 24, 2011

My wife got pulled over on her motorcycle for making a wide turn at a corner last night. She gave the officer her DL and CCW with the registration and insurance card; he asked if she was carring at the time and let her go with a warning. She said he thanked her for letting him know in advance and he confirmed it isn't the CCW carriers he worries about.

MKEgal · Aug 24, 2011

Having just passed a cc law here :banana: WI newspapers are all a-twitter about how much more dangerous things will now be for police... and obviously they haven't talked with LEA/LEO in cc states, and haven't thought through the possibilities.

Any officer who does not approach every person as potentially dangerous will have a short painful career.
Most of the time s/he will be wrong, and that's good.
So LEO don't have to do anything different when cc (or even OC) comes into play.

If someone does OC, show a permit, etc., the officer can pretty much know that they're 'safe', not likely to harm the officer.

If someone denies carrying, are they really a sheep (honestly saying they're unarmed, no danger)
or a wolf (lying, armed, dangerous, willing to shoot a cop)?
So assuming everyone is armed is the safer way to operate.

That being said, our new WI law says if we're cc we have to show a permit (if the officer has RAS).
Considering the various problems with OC, I'm anticipating lots of over-reaction, until officers understand that the part of the law saying they can't use excessive force on someone b/c they have a permit has teeth to it.

Kingfish · Aug 24, 2011

DocWalker said:
A lot of it depends on how you look up the information in the system. If you input the full name, DOB, along with DL information you will get more information than just inputing the DL number. As you know the system is very quircky as it has to be inputed just right.

It doesn't really matter what you call it NLETS or ILETS it is the same system, and there are different ways to retrive the information from it.

I run out of state DL's all the time and they have fequently told me if someone had a CCW. Again I'm not overly concerned about people with CCW's as they usally follow the laws. It is the ones that don't follow the laws I worry about.

I 100% guarantee you will not get notified of an Alabama (which is where this thread is posted) resident holding a permit. I can also make that guarantee about a Georgia resident.

Brimstone Baritone · Aug 24, 2011

I don't know the hows or the whys in Georgia, but in Alabama the pistol permits are handled by individual county sheriffs' offices and they are specifically not public record. These two facts combined almost guarantees that the information will not come up in any database, no matter how much information you type into it.

I haven't been pulled over since I started carrying a gun, but since I keep it wedged between the bench seats where I used to keep my bowie knife I don't see notification being the problem.

ManInBlack · Aug 24, 2011

MKEgal said:
Any officer who does not approach every person as potentially dangerous will have a short painful career.
Most of the time s/he will be wrong, and that's good.

I'd rather if they approached every person as a citizen with rights to be respected and defended. Of course every person is "potentially dangerous"; so is every animal, and every tool, and every motor vehicle. The problem is that they approach people as "dangerous until proven otherwise," which is the mindset of military occupation and is currently being experienced by our unfortunate servicemen and women overseas.

DocWalker · Aug 25, 2011

Kingfish said:
I 100% guarantee you will not get notified of an Alabama (which is where this thread is posted) resident holding a permit. I can also make that guarantee about a Georgia resident.

I can't argue with you about Alabama since I can't remember the last time I had someone make a delievery with a Alabama license. I will have to pay attention and keep on the lookout for one next time we get a truck from there.

I do know that most of the other states pop up with the information, more information than you want or need sometimes. We are looking for current DL, Registration, warrents, ect. We don't really care how many speeding tickets you had but that all comes up.

EviL inside · Sep 2, 2011

iroc4life said:
asked if I knew the laws for AL while travelling with a MS CCW

Wait, since MS and AL are reciprocal, how is the law any different for someone with an AL resident permit? From what i understand, there aren't any special conditions for carrying in your vehicle, with a permit, just as it is in MS. Without a permit, that's a different story....I'm just wondering what was meant by that statement?

AL Ranger · Sep 3, 2011

The states are reciprocal but there are minor differences. In Alabama, you MUST HAVE a license to carry a pistol in a vehicle even if it is NOT concealed. You can not carry a pistol, openly or concealed, within 1000 ft of a public demonstration (although this has yet to be challenged). A MS license does not allow a MS resident to carry a pistol in AL gun-free zones like schools. I believe that is what the officer was asking about.

Badger Johnson · Sep 3, 2011

So here's the synopsis:

In some states you have to declare
Some states declare if you're on foot or in the car
Some states you must declare whether carrying or not (that you have a permit, I suppose), and LEO can lie or prevent you from declaring then trump up charges if they wish.
Some states you must declare if permitted and you are carrying
Some states you don't have to declare but the LEOs don't know and fuss if you do if you don't.
Some states you don't declare, can't carry loaded, some states unloaded and locked or locked separately.

YET nobody really has a problem with CC permit holders, who seem to be able to jump through any of their stupid hoops, not shoot the LEO, not get shot BY the LEO with their own gun while being disarmed. Some states you have to help the LEO get the HG out of the holster so they can run an e-check, and then the serial and practice their lying about why they're doing an e-check.

ISTM you have to train and be in shape just to deal with the BS.

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