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    Biden "fully understands" policy that includes forced abortions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vice President Biden
    Your policy has been one which I fully understand -- Iím not second-guessing -- of one child per family.
    http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/e...#axzz1VmAAsnbj

    He does realize that this policy that he "fully understand[s]" has been used to force abortions, to force sterilizations, and to imprison those who would dare have a second child? Of course he does. How could he not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/e...#axzz1VmAAsnbj

    He does realize that this policy that he "fully understand[s]" has been used to force abortions, to force sterilizations, and to imprison those who would dare have a second child? Of course he does. How could he not?

    Another visit to the dentist. Another footectomy.
    I'm sure you're aware that abortion and eugenics were a significant platform of the 1920's "progressive" movement. Leftists view humans as a resource that needs to be controlled, even in quantity, so they can be more productive for the state.
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    Based on his numerous public statements on a variety of subjects, I submit that Joe Biden in fact understands very little about anything.

    I'm firmly convinced that Obama chose Biden as his running mate because he determined that even somebody consumed with hatred for him wouldn't want to do something that could put the nuclear "football" in the hands of Grandpa Simpson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    Based on his numerous public statements on a variety of subjects, I submit that Joe Biden in fact understands very little about anything.

    I'm firmly convinced that Obama chose Biden as his running mate because he determined that even somebody consumed with hatred for him wouldn't want to do something that could put the nuclear "football" in the hands of Grandpa Simpson.
    What did Abe Simpson ever do to you? He's just a cartoon character, he doesn't deserve such insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/e...#axzz1VmAAsnbj

    He does realize that this policy that he "fully understand[s]" has been used to force abortions, to force sterilizations, and to imprison those who would dare have a second child? Of course he does. How could he not?

    Another visit to the dentist. Another footectomy.
    Not a fan of Biden, but you are seriously twisting his words. The more complete quote is:
    But as I was talking to some of your leaders, you share a similar concern here in China. You have no safety net. Your policy has been one which I fully understand -- Iím not second-guessing -- of one child per family. The result being that youíre in a position where one wage earner will be taking care of four retired people. Not sustainable.
    The phrase "fully understand" isn't "fully endorse", but "fully know to be true". It's like someone saying to us "your idea is one I fully understand - I'm not second guessing - of open carrying firearms". That says nothing of the speaker's support for the position, just that they understand/know/comprehend what our position is. He follows up to say the policy is unsustainable, likening it to how our budget and current policy paralysis is unsustainable. If anything, it's a subtle jab at a bad policy, but you're quoting him as if he's saying "I wish we had the same here."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    I'm sure you're aware that abortion and eugenics were a significant platform of the 1920's "progressive" movement. Leftists view humans as a resource that needs to be controlled, even in quantity, so they can be more productive for the state.
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    Just for the record......

    You can have a second child in China. The laws vary a bit by region. In some regions, if the parents were both only children they can have two. If a couple have a child and get a divorce, the person who does not have custody can have another child.

    In most places, if you want to have another child you need only pay a fee based on your income.

    I don't agree with any of this of course, but I wanted to clarify that it is not that big of a deal to have a second child in China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    Not a fan of Biden, but you are seriously twisting his words. The more complete quote is:


    The phrase "fully understand" isn't "fully endorse", but "fully know to be true". It's like someone saying to us "your idea is one I fully understand - I'm not second guessing - of open carrying firearms". That says nothing of the speaker's support for the position, just that they understand/know/comprehend what our position is. He follows up to say the policy is unsustainable, likening it to how our budget and current policy paralysis is unsustainable. If anything, it's a subtle jab at a bad policy, but you're quoting him as if he's saying "I wish we had the same here."
    Wow, who would have thought that the poster who whines the most about people not quoting him in full would take someone else out of context...

    /sarcasm

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    Regardless what he's said to have said, he said more than 6300 words. That's the hard part to believe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    You can have a second child in China. The laws vary a bit by region. In some regions, if the parents were both only children they can have two. If a couple have a child and get a divorce, the person who does not have custody can have another child.

    In most places, if you want to have another child you need only pay a fee based on your income.

    I don't agree with any of this of course, but I wanted to clarify that it is not that big of a deal to have a second child in China.
    Oh, well, OK then. These clarifications make the policy acceptable.

    This is how the left (including China) make rules. They try to be in such control over every detail that they need to build exceptions into the law. And then, exceptions to the exceptions. They also need to create waivers to the exceptions and justifications for not getting waivers to the exceptions. Then, even if you have no justification for not getting the waiver to the exception, you may still be allowed to slide, while "resources" are focused on whatever they think the "real problem" is today.

    The best rules are simply stated principles that all can understand, not complex constructions requiring a lawyer to understand.

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    I see nothing in Biden's statement, whether you choose a single sentence, as I have, or three sentences, as others have, or the whole 6300 words, that communicates the slightest dampening of the sentence I quoted.

    No matter, if anyone wants all, or any part, of his accompanying words, they were included in my post by reference via an easily clickable URL that clearly accompanies the quoted portion. I take no responsibility for anyone who cannot figure out how to click the provided link or how to read the content at that link.

    Moving on from this silly bit of puffery to return to discussing Biden's "understanding" of this policy that calls for forced abortions, forced sterilizations, and criminal persecution...er...prosecution for those who dare to have a second child (without having the requisite waiver, exception, justification, or party affiliation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Oh, well, OK then. These clarifications make the policy acceptable...

    I never said it was acceptable and specifically said I didn't agree with it in my post. I only am letting the facts be known. Me? Mr. no government control? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I see nothing in Biden's statement, whether you choose a single sentence, as I have, or three sentences, as others have, or the whole 6300 words, that communicates the slightest dampening of the sentence I quoted.

    No matter, if anyone wants all, or any part, of his accompanying words, they were included in my post by reference via an easily clickable URL that clearly accompanies the quoted portion. I take no responsibility for anyone who cannot figure out how to click the provided link or how to read the content at that link.

    Moving on from this silly bit of puffery to return to discussing Biden's "understanding" of this policy that calls for forced abortions, forced sterilizations, and criminal persecution...er...prosecution for those who dare to have a second child (without having the requisite waiver, exception, justification, or party affiliation).
    I fully understand the holocaust. I don't endorse it, or support it, but I do understand it. I know the things leading up to it, the psychological effects that allow such murder to occur, and the outcomes of it. It was a bad policy, a terrible tragedy, and a stain on human history, and I hope we can be better than making the same mistake.

    Saying the above, your quote is similar to taking the very first sentence and saying "you understand murdering Jews, gypsies, gays, and the rest of the 'undesireables'" as if the rest of the things I said...weren't. It's lying, twisting words, putting a spin on what is being communicated. It most certainly dampens the sentence when he follows up with "Not sustainable" and "So hopefully we can act in a way on a problem that's much less severe than yours, and maybe we can learn together from how we can do that. "

    He calls their policy a problem. He shows that it has problems, and he does it in a way that is subtle enough to not put the other nation on the spot. Trying to twist it any other way is dishonest.
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