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    new presidential poll

    I received a call last night, it was a very comprehensive poll, not just the highlights listed in the link...but the results are very good.

    It does show that a lot of independents would like to vote for Ron Paul (I am one) and on the side bar are a couple very interesting articles about Perry. The more I hear about him, the better I like him. If we cannot get Ron, Perry sounds better than the other options...but I am not giving up on Ron yet.

    As to Perry, repeal of the 16th and 17 ammendment I agree whole-heartedly. After those constitutional ammendments were passed is when the National Government started to run amuck.

    Only bad point is Romney, how can so many people feel favorable about that "business as usual" politico?

    anyway, here it is: as already stated, articles on sidebar are actually interesting.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...151926037.html
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    I had posted this one in the other thread. What's interesting about these polls is that they are only polling about 1,000 people. It would be neat to see a larger one. I would also like to see one that asks Democrats if they will vote in the Republican primary since they have nothing better to do.

    Anyway, here is the biggest collection of positions of Rick Perry that I could find. There's a lot to like there but there's also quite a few things I can't personally get behind and not feel dirty. To each their own of course.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm
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    You can bet the moonbats will be voting in our primaries, and they'll be voting for Romney. I dismiss the contention they would vote for RP because of his anti-war and pro legalization stances. Some will for sure, but the ones who realize he would defund everything that keeps the democrap party functioning will stay in obozo's camp. Lets hope Hitlary dumps the sec state job and runs against bam. That would be a lot of fun too watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    You can bet the moonbats will be voting in our primaries, and they'll be voting for Romney. I dismiss the contention they would vote for RP because of his anti-war and pro legalization stances. Some will for sure, but the ones who realize he would defund everything that keeps the democrap party functioning will stay in obozo's camp. Lets hope Hitlary dumps the sec state job and runs against bam. That would be a lot of fun too watch.
    I'm hoping Romney will drop out before the primary under pressure from the media and establishment endorsing Perry. Probably won't happen but..... *crosses fingers*. It would also be funny if Palin entered the race and further diluted the vote. In fact, maybe I shouldn't be wishing for Romney to drop out. More dilution is better for my ends.
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    Bachman/Christie 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    Bachman/Christie 2012

    Never Christie. He thinks NJ's current draconian firearms laws are "reasonable".

    His only saving grace is fiscal responsibility. Otherwise he is a RINO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldCurlyWolf View Post
    Never Christie. He thinks NJ's current draconian firearms laws are "reasonable".

    His only saving grace is fiscal responsibility. Otherwise he is a RINO.
    I look at Liberal/progressive/socialist, those who view all current gun law as unreasonable.
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    A ticket with Christie, and reasonable views of gun laws.
    I choose reasonable. I think it will be much easier to seek improvement under reasonable, than to live fending off unreasonable; an agenda of total gun right removal.

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    See what I mean about a noisy minority?

    A small number of posters is posting thread after thread, making post after post, making it appear that there is a groundswell.

    Instead, they are essentially spamming the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    See what I mean about a noisy minority?

    A small number of posters is posting thread after thread, making post after post, making it appear that there is a groundswell.

    Instead, they are essentially spamming the board.
    Yes, I see. Are you going to quit spamming the board now?

    Link to the poll that shows there is a noisy minority.......oh wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    See what I mean about a noisy minority?

    A small number of posters is posting thread after thread, making post after post, making it appear that there is a groundswell.

    Instead, they are essentially spamming the board.
    But look at what noisy minorities have accomplished historically. The silent majority usually just goes with the flow unless things get real bad.

    As for your views on "isolationism" from other threads, they're pretty irrelevant. There simply isn't money to keep all these foreign interventions up at current levels, necessary or not. If we keep it up, the government and economy will collapse and then we'll be fighting off invaders coming to collect the debt in our own streets.

    I'd rather cut back now while we still can do so in a controlled manner.

    As for gold standard, Paul only says there should be competition allowed in currency. As a conservative, why do you support a government monopoly that prevents competition in the marketplace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I had posted this one in the other thread. What's interesting about these polls is that they are only polling about 1,000 people. It would be neat to see a larger one. I would also like to see one that asks Democrats if they will vote in the Republican primary since they have nothing better to do.
    1000 people is a good poll size for the country if the sample is sufficiently random. They've found that going beyond 1000 the diminishing accuracy returns aren't worth the additional costs.

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    Polling statistices are easy to show based on numbers theory. I have no problem with a poll of 1000 truly random phone numbers, as the quistions they asked me (they were unbiased, which is unusual...I have written poll questions before, these were good) should be good for +/- 4 percentage points.

    The number of people polled give the standard. I would have to get my old statistics book out, but 4% seems reasonable here.

    Where the problems with polls are is in: are the phone numbers randomly chosen? Also, are the questions scewed to illiciate a particular response,,,(very easy to do). It is harder to write an unbiased question than to set up a proper random number generator.

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    The other problem I have with the selection of pollees is they generally ask, "are you likely to vote in the next election?" While there is no way to select out any who don't follow through, it still leaves room for non-voters to opine and skew the poll.

    But I also advocate for voters to not tell who they voted for in exit polling ... leave them all guessing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    Yes, I see. Are you going to quit spamming the board now?

    Link to the poll that shows there is a noisy minority.......oh wait...
    I feel that eye95 and Ron Paul had a bad run in at a bar or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I'm hoping Romney will drop out before the primary under pressure from the media and establishment endorsing Perry. Probably won't happen but..... *crosses fingers*. It would also be funny if Palin entered the race and further diluted the vote. In fact, maybe I shouldn't be wishing for Romney to drop out. More dilution is better for my ends.
    I would like to think the defeat of obama would be your ends.

    My hat remains in the ring for Cain. I'll take anyone over obozo though. I suspect Perry will remain in the lead unless he does something unbelieveably stupid. Unfortunately for your guy, I think some of his zealotry will marginalize him (again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    I would like to think the defeat of obama would be your ends.

    My hat remains in the ring for Cain. I'll take anyone over obozo though. I suspect Perry will remain in the lead unless he does something unbelieveably stupid. Unfortunately for your guy, I think some of his zealotry will marginalize him (again).
    Oh yes, his defeat is to my ends but I was talking about the primary. That's where the dilution helps my guy.

    No worry about being marginalized. That happened fully last time and it's been all up from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    Oh yes, his defeat is to my ends but I was talking about the primary. That's where the dilution helps my guy.

    No worry about being marginalized. That happened fully last time and it's been all up from there.

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    Maybe so, but I just saw a completely asinine post about how much better a world dominated by the Chi-coms would be. If that sort of "thinking" becomes the percieved thinking of the average RP supporters the truthtards won't be needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PracticalTactical View Post
    But look at what noisy minorities have accomplished historically. The silent majority usually just goes with the flow unless things get real bad...
    This particular noisy minority has gone nowhere in the past and is headed nowhere now. Paul will not win the Republican nomination. In these multiple (noisy) threads, I have two goals: (1) To point out that Paul is not the second coming--that, while Paul is excellent on following the Constitution into severely limited government, his foreign policy is unrealistic and dangerous. (2) To point out the folly (and petulance) of the insistence by some that they will continue to vote for him, even after he loses in the primaries, which (despite any protestations to the contrary) would have all the effect of gambling up the ballot and stuffing it in the trash can instead of the ballot box--as would staying home, as some say they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    I feel that eye95 and Ron Paul had a bad run in at a bar or something...
    It is easy (and disingenuous) to dismiss the motives of those who disagree with you. That is a tactic I see mostly from the big-government types on the left. For some strange reason, I see a lot of the same tactics as used by the leftists also being used by the paulbots. I don't know why. This site in most regards eschews the irrational tactics of the antis. Why a subset of our posters should embrace them is a mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    Maybe so, but I just saw a completely asinine post about how much better a world dominated by the Chi-coms would be. If that sort of "thinking" becomes the percieved thinking of the average RP supporters the truthtards won't be needed.
    And completely asinine POV's aren't expoused by supporters of any other candidates? You can't name at least 4 on this very forum?

    The biggest problem is that too many people are programmed to think "A" is good and "B" is bad in so far as they will never even discuss or debate "B", much less aquiesse in any way. Going back to the foreign policy we talked about there was at least a discussion and debate over it. In the end, the debate was deep enough for an understanding to be made that it's possible that either view was correct even though either of us stuck with our views for good or moral reasons. When people flat out say that someone is a "Wack a doodle" and don't offer up ANY intelligent debate on the subject and instead just try to discredit others they rightfully lose respect in that arena.

    Also, let us not forget, that there is a whole forum out there filled with thousands of interesting posts to reply to, and one is in no way forced to keep making posts in the two or three Ron Paul thread that are currently active while accusing OTHERS of spamming the board when it's clear their accuser is the guilty one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    To point out the folly (and petulance) of the insistence by some that they will continue to vote for him, even after he loses in the primaries, which (despite any protestations to the contrary) would have all the effect of gambling up the ballot and stuffing it in the trash can instead of the ballot box--as would staying home, as some say they will.
    The true folly(insanity) is doing what Republicans have been doing for many years. Finding an "electable" candidate that can win and then watch as that candidate erodes away our liberties... albeit, slower than the democrat candidate would have...

    In other words, doing the same thing over and over and then expecting a different result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I have two goals: (1) To point out that Paul is not the second coming--that, while Paul is excellent on following the Constitution into severely limited government, his foreign policy is unrealistic and dangerous.
    In order to discuss Dr. Paul's foreign policy, one must be willing to read just what that policy entails. Until you do, you argue against a straw man and you make no point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    The true folly(insanity) is doing what Republicans have been doing for many years. Finding an "electable" candidate that can win and then watch as that candidate erodes away our liberties... albeit, slower than the democrat candidate would have...

    In other words, doing the same thing over and over and then expecting a different result.
    The irony is that when the Republicans choose "electable" candidates, meaning those who run to the center (Dole and McCain come to mind), they come somewhat close, but fail. When they choose and run as hard-core conservatives (Reagan, Gingrich, Bush the Younger, and the Tea Party come to mind), they win. It is a candidate in this model whom they need to select. Not a centrist and not a fringe candidate, but a solid conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    In order to discuss Dr. Paul's foreign policy, one must be willing to read just what that policy entails. Until you do, you argue against a straw man and you make no point.
    No. One only need listen to him when he tries to explain it under questioning. One should avoid the carefully crafted and propagandized version that is not subject to scrutiny.

    I hope my opinions are judged by what I write in a back-and-forth, not by anything I may have written in an unchallenged treatise.

    This is only rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No. One only need listen to him when he tries to explain it under questioning. One should avoid the carefully crafted and propagandized version that is not subject to scrutiny.

    I hope my opinions are judged by what I write in a back-and-forth, not by anything I may have written in an unchallenged treatise.

    This is only rational.
    Yes, and they show that you do not do your due diligence in researching the issues. In other words, it is impossible to have an honest debate with you and you regularly mis-quote and rephrase others, while decrying that the same happens to you, which, IMHO is incorrect and unfounded at best.

    Moving on.
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