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    Open Carry in a police station in medford oregon

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph2YBF7-djg

    Part 1 of 3

    Hope you enjoyed my little education.

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    Warren- Come on Man! Dying to see the 2nd and 3rd installments!

    Good on you for the good deed of the day.

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    cant wait for part 3.....

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    It almost done and I will be visiting the police station with my firearms in 1 hour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddybearfrmhell View Post
    cant wait for part 3.....
    You can say that again. Did he say he was arresting you or detaining you Warren? What was he taking you to the room for? Where is the video of the part prior to you getting handcuffed? When was this filmed?

    So many questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    You can say that again. Did he say he was arresting you or detaining you Warren? What was he taking you to the room for? Where is the video of the part prior to you getting handcuffed? When was this filmed?

    So many questions!
    perhaps we will get the answers in 3 to 5?

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    Here's the third (presumably): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxluDOhDScU

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    wow..... um.... and?

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    Well, it's pretty clear that Warren was unlawfully arrested or detained. The officer had two abilities inside the public building, he could ask for a CHL license (to ensure ORS 166.370 wasn't being violated) and he could inspect the loaded state of the weapon (ORS 166.380, but it doesn't matter with the CHL what the loaded state was). Handcuffing tends to indicate arrest, moving somebody to a room and preventing a friend from being close by also seems to indicate arrest. So what's the story Warren? Did they uncuff you and listen to your complaint(s)? I'm guessing after their gaffe that they weren't in the mood with performing civic duties.

    Something I would have done differently is not call attention to my firearm as my very first action. I never call attention to my firearm, I try to treat it like a bow tie or something totally harmless. I'll talk about my bow tie, but otherwise it's just a bow tie. No reason to start talking about it unless I happen to see another person wearing a bow tie, then I might give him a head nod and tell him I like his style.

    Hope all turned out well in the end.

    Edit: Oh, and I know it's difficult, but try not to say anything when dealing with police officers. Only talk when it benefits you (like filing your complaint). Outside of that we should really strive to assert our right to remain silent, indicate that we're audio recording, and then remain silent until you are free to go, at which point you should request the officer identify himself by name and badge number.
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    Why do I feel that this incident does nothing to help the open carry movement? Everything you guys were talking about in the hallway just sounded "out there." Am I alone here?

    You walked into a police station (somewhere we know to be hostile to our rights) and the first thing you did was point out you were carrying while going into a conversation that resembled a scene from "I Am Sam." I can see where the officers may have had some concern here.


    For the record, the purple heart is not the "most common thing to get in the military."
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
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    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    Why do I feel that this incident does nothing to help the open carry movement? Everything you guys were talking about in the hallway just sounded "out there." Am I alone here?

    You walked into a police station (somewhere we know to be hostile to our rights) and the first thing you did was point out you were carrying while going into a conversation that resembled a scene from "I Am Sam." I can see where the officers may have had some concern here.


    For the record, the purple heart is not the "most common thing to get in the military."
    read some of the other posts from the op, you will beging to understand the trainwreck you see before your eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Well, it's pretty clear that Warren was unlawfully arrested or detained. The officer had two abilities inside the public building, he could ask for a CHL license (to ensure ORS 166.370 wasn't being violated) and he could inspect the loaded state of the weapon (ORS 166.380, but it doesn't matter with the CHL what the loaded state was). Handcuffing tends to indicate arrest, moving somebody to a room and preventing a friend from being close by also seems to indicate arrest. So what's the story Warren? Did they uncuff you and listen to your complaint(s)? I'm guessing after their gaffe that they weren't in the mood with performing civic duties.

    Something I would have done differently is not call attention to my firearm as my very first action. I never call attention to my firearm, I try to treat it like a bow tie or something totally harmless. I'll talk about my bow tie, but otherwise it's just a bow tie. No reason to start talking about it unless I happen to see another person wearing a bow tie, then I might give him a head nod and tell him I like his style.

    Hope all turned out well in the end.

    Edit: Oh, and I know it's difficult, but try not to say anything when dealing with police officers. Only talk when it benefits you (like filing your complaint). Outside of that we should really strive to assert our right to remain silent, indicate that we're audio recording, and then remain silent until you are free to go, at which point you should request the officer identify himself by name and badge number.

    actually we dont know why he was held at all, the video wasnt running then

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    I would like to press charges for an unlawful arrest, so I am going to see a lawyer tomorrow. Yet they did release me. I went to the police station to filled a police complaint whiled armed and then this all happen because the officer did not know the law. I am tired of the harassment so I went to them to settle the issue, but it seem I just wasted my time with them. I need to see someone else that know the law and can put these guys straight to leave us alone. I have the proof and a witness that seen the whole action, now I need to get this further done and hope for the best. To let you all know I am a extreme activist to the right to keep and bear arms. I would do anything that will prevail to the benefits of our rights.

    Just wait little more longer and I will have the next video up

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    @teddybear

    to let you know I had to conserve the battery because it just about to lose all of it energy. That was officer Garr that arrested me because I was just sitting down on a bench with my handgun waiting to talk to the SGT and then Garr told me to stand up and I told my cousin to start the recording while Garr was arresting me.

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    This is my last video and my last time to be using this site (opencarry.org)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50fNbPKEPw

    ENJOY and GOODBYE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Drouin View Post
    @teddybear

    to let you know I had to conserve the battery because it just about to lose all of it energy. That was officer Garr that arrested me because I was just sitting down on a bench with my handgun waiting to talk to the SGT and then Garr told me to stand up and I told my cousin to start the recording while Garr was arresting me.
    i understand what you are saying BUT why bother to record ANYTHING if you arent going to record the very thing you are claiming was an illegal arrest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Drouin View Post
    This is my last video and my last time to be using this site (opencarry.org)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50fNbPKEPw

    ENJOY and GOODBYE!
    Wait...what site is this?
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Drouin View Post
    This is my last video and my last time to be using this site (opencarry.org)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50fNbPKEPw

    ENJOY and GOODBYE!
    You know, I could hear EVERYTHING that was going on....up until the camera man started talking over the important parts.


    "HE'S GOT A BALD HEAD! A VERY BALD HEAD"
    Not only was it just random and childish...I CAN'T HEAR WHATS GOING ON IF YOU'RE WHISPERING HE'S GOT A BALD HEAD INTO THE MICROPHONE....
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    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    You know, I could hear EVERYTHING that was going on....up until the camera man started talking over the important parts.


    "HE'S GOT A BALD HEAD! A VERY BALD HEAD"
    Not only was it just random and childish...I CAN'T HEAR WHATS GOING ON IF YOU'RE WHISPERING HE'S GOT A BALD HEAD INTO THE MICROPHONE....

    this was a colossal waste of time, no information was gained other than the name , address and dads phone number of the narrating cousin with no ID....

    we have ZERO information about the arrest/detain or any citations issued if any.... nothing accomplished here!

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    I want to email that police department and apologize on behalf of the open carry movement.
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Drouin View Post
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    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren Drouin View Post
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    wow, off your meds much?

    i have followed your every thread because i feel your "extreme activism" is actually idiocy run rampant.... if you open carry in the parks the same way you open carried in the police station i got no problems at all with the way you are treated. i didnt see any harassment in the videos but then again i didnt see anything of value either. you do yourself a disservice with these rambling diatribes.

    as for your cousin, you brought him into it when you asked him to video and audio the encounter. perhaps a little more direction about shutting up and keeping the camera on the important events.

    as for dealing with you, i aint scared of crazy even if it has a gun. an internet threat from you is about as terrifying as a ladybug bite. you seem to forget that your face and name have now been on youtube AND your cousins name , address and uncles cell number have aslo been broadcast, so threatening people online is just adding dumb on top of dumb

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    your face and name have now been on youtube AND your cousins name , address and uncles cell number have aslo been broadcast
    This.
    “The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
    [Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
    “There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
    [Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]

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