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    OC BAN! Rock Hill is next.

    Missouri: Open Carry Under Attack In Rock Hill!

    Wednesday, August 24, 2011

    Call Your Alderman and Urge Them to Vote NO to The Ban!


    An ordinance was introduced at last week’s Rock Hill Board of Aldermen meeting which would ban the open carry of firearms in the city of Rock Hill. Currently, city municipal code allows those who possess a valid concealed carry permit to also carry their firearm openly. The proposal introduced this week, if adopted, would amend the existing law and put an end to the practice of openly carrying a firearm for self-defense in Rock Hill. A vote on the matter is expected to take place at the next meeting on Tuesday, September 6, so it is very important that you contact your Alderman TODAY and urge him or her to oppose this proposed measure.

    Concealed carry laws will not be affected by this amendment since, according to Missouri’s preemption laws, cities only have the authority to regulate open carry and not concealed carry. However, it is still important to call your Alderman and ensure that your voice is heard by urging the Board members to respect your right to carry a firearm openly! Contact information for the Board of Alderman can be found below.

    Rock Hill Board of Aldermen:

    Alderwoman Chris Graber
    (314) 962-7486
    cgraber@rockhillmo.net

    Alderman Ed Johnson
    (314) 962-3165
    ejohnson@rockhillmo.net

    Alderman Edward Mahan
    (314) 918-1218
    emahan@rockhillmo.net

    Alderman Philip Scherry
    (314) 485-9686
    pscherry@rockhillmo.net

    Alderwoman Mary Wofford
    (314) 962-5723
    mwofford@rockhillmo.net

    Alderman Robert Weider
    (314) 918-1147
    rweider@rockhillmo.net
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    Looks like you need some unlicensed OC preemtion in the legislature next session.
    “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? ” -Bastiat

    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    Looks like you need some unlicensed OC preemtion in the legislature next session.

    We need Constitutional Carry legislation to seal all the cracks the anti 2A folks looks for.

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    We need to get these senseless OC bans immediate attention in the legislature as well as by the MOAG's office. They are in fact regulating CCW law by banning OC. No way around it.

    Folks could start using the approach with the MOAG and legislators that if any entity exercises the 1984 OC regulatory law that they must then foot the ENTIRE bill for the residents for their jurisdiction to obtain CCW permits: class, background check fee, the card itself, and all renewal costs therin. Not from the public coffers either, it MUST come from the direct personal pockets of those enacting the ban.

    I'm not sure how it should be done or if it would even work, but can we get these OC-ban locales on a Nation-wide boycott list?
    Last edited by REALteach4u; 08-30-2011 at 11:16 AM.

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    KMOV Report Rock Hill

    I hope veryone possible wil come out and do what they can to get them to say "NO".
    http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Propo...128846038.html
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    I won't be able to be there but I thought someone could use this letter or part there of to address the city counsel.



    I’m addressing the council in reference to the proposal to ban Open Carry of firearms. There was a recent article in the Webster Kirkwood times about how “A slip-up in the language in Rock Hill's concealed carry ordinance could have allowed those so inclined to tote their weapons in plain sight.”

    That loophole affects Olivette, Ellisville and Rock Hill. City representatives say they are not trying to take away gun owner's rights, they just want the law the way it was originally intended


    This reminds me of - Space invaders. Those who stand too close, consuming space, energy, oxygen and time. For instance, the Missouri Municipal League influencing knee jerk reactions in municipalities in the case at hand.

    This practice (open carry of weapons) may cause concern for some but has not been shown to be problem causing except for those practicing that behavior.

    After all the Missouri Constitution states and I believe all of you wish to follow the constitution, correct, Mr. Martin and the elected officials who employ you. The constitution is not wrong, and infers the right to openly carry a weapon,

    it states,

    Missouri Constitution
    Article I
    BILL OF RIGHTS
    Section 23

    August 28, 2010



    Right to keep and bear arms--exception.
    Section 23. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

    Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    This is a response from Alderman Philip Scherry, his response tells me they do not care that a criminal will not obey the law, they want to restrict the legal citizen. They have to protect the criminals so their police force has a reason to exist, by criminalizing the legal citizen:

    Thank you for your opinion. I am taking all input into consideration.
    Just so you know, open carry has been banned in the City of Rock Hill for many years. This is an update to the wording dealing with concealed carry. It can currently be interpreted that those with a concealed carry license are allowed to open carry as well. I don't believe that was the original intent of that regulation put in place 8 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdmcompact View Post
    This is a response from Alderman Philip Scherry, his response tells me they do not care that a criminal will not obey the law, they want to restrict the legal citizen. They have to protect the criminals so their police force has a reason to exist, by criminalizing the legal citizen:

    Thank you for your opinion. I am taking all input into consideration.
    Just so you know, open carry has been banned in the City of Rock Hill for many years. This is an update to the wording dealing with concealed carry. It can currently be interpreted that those with a concealed carry license are allowed to open carry as well. I don't believe that was the original intent of that regulation put in place 8 years ago.
    You and I were the only ones to show up and speak, unfornae. I let Mr. Martin know what i tought of his "mission" to prohibit OC. Most of what i said in 3 minutes was positive and informative. I did not stick around for the "vote", time was not on my side. I know how it will go, we can probably the get the results from their web [age or if xdmcompact stuck around...
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    You and I were the only ones to show up and speak, unfornae. I let Mr. Martin know what i tought of his "mission" to prohibit OC. Most of what i said in 3 minutes was positive and informative. I did not stick around for the "vote", time was not on my side. I know how it will go, we can probably the get the results from their web [age or if xdmcompact stuck around...
    The vote was a tie three voted yes three voted no, the Mayor was the deciding vote. He voted to ban open carry. I was asked a few questions by a lady forgot her name, From the Patch about Open carry. I directed her to OCDO for answers to any questions she didn't ask me.
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    I would of come, but my wife had the car last night while she was baby sitting at the last minute.

    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    You and I were the only ones to show up and speak, unfornae. I let Mr. Martin know what i tought of his "mission" to prohibit OC. Most of what i said in 3 minutes was positive and informative. I did not stick around for the "vote", time was not on my side. I know how it will go, we can probably the get the results from their web [age or if xdmcompact stuck around...

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    work with your state legislators to get state wide preemption like we do in VA, and then local idiots can not make ordinances like this. How are you supposed to track what town has what laws regarding OC :/
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
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    Really sucked I got jammed up at work, I wanted to make it. I was not going to use the full three mins, simply a keep it short and sweet. My time has been invested in olivette and I have a lot to say at that one, I did not want to shoot it all out for him to counter before olivette.

    Just wish I could have gotten out of here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    Really sucked I got jammed up at work, I wanted to make it. I was not going to use the full three mins, simply a keep it short and sweet. My time has been invested in olivette and I have a lot to say at that one, I did not want to shoot it all out for him to counter before olivette.

    Just wish I could have gotten out of here.
    As you and I know my friend, anything you say here the bad guys see as well. For those who do not know the folks who are against us read this forum, hands down no doubt. There for do not post what "we are going to do or say". If you do, we just tipped them off.
    That's why although I go to these City scum bag council meetings I don't post what I said or what I'm going to say.
    Also, it's best NOT to post anyhting to do with legislative ideas or possible legal action. DO THIS ONLY THROUGH PMs with people you know, other wise it's a total waste of time and does more harm than good.
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    Media coverage of Rock Hill

    This is what was on the "Patch" for Rick Hill:
    http://webstergroves.patch.com/artic...open-carry-ban
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
    I worked 24/7 for 2A OC rights! Don't like what I did? Try it yourself, it was my full time job!
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    well if a kid is walking down the sidewalk with a baseball bat, golf club, hockey stick, a metal pole, you know someone could "steal it and do something bad with it"
    i think we need to ban all of those things too.
    Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

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