ManInBlack
Regular Member
Oh yea by the way, The Hawaiian Royal Palace had running water and toilets before the white house. Spouting crap when obviously only associate with other people who live up to your "white bread" world. I disagree with welfare and so do many locals. But of course governments want people dependent. But it isn't just "Hawaiians" that are willing to take your money, there are many folks in every state that do that.
This is an interesting discussion.
To be fair, the Hawaiian Royal Palace had running water and toilets because they adopted European/white technology - those things were not created by Polynesian culture. In the same way, the royal family adopted western clothing and dress. This does not change the fact that the average Hawaiian still lived in a primitive condition.
Regardless of the fact that European/white culture was vastly technologically superior to that of the Polynesians, it was absolutely unjust and indefensible to annex their country.
As a visitor to modern Hawaii, I find that in much of the non-tourist areas, it is virtually indistinguishable from any Indian reservation in the continental United States - high alcohol/drug abuse, high government dependency, high property crime, groups of unsavory, idle men hanging outside stores and harassing customers, especially if they appear white, etc.
Under our original design of government in this country, each state had the authority (and, I believe, still should) to regulate anything within its borders not prohibited to it by the Constitution (9th and 10th Amendments). Under this scheme, I would have no problem with the citizens of Hawaii electing politicians that sought to disarm them - such is the choice of a (nominally) free people. I would likely use my freedom to never visit there again.
I realize that we are now in the unconstitutional position of having the BoR incorporated against the states, but I still think it is wrong to force the citizens of a state to go against their desires as expressed in the voting booth. I believe that Hawaiians' opposition to keeping and bearing arms is largely cultural. There is nothing wrong with a people desiring to keep their own culture to the exclusion of all others, but by the same token, there is no reason for the rest of us to be bound to a group of people that does not share our freedom-loving, gun-having culture. In my opinion, the very best, most fair, and most just thing we could do for Hawaii (and for some of the other People's Republiks that blight the map of this once-great nation) is to set them adrift and let them choose their own destiny. There is no reason for us to remain in a loveless marriage.