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    Uh oh look out, frustrated Cop on the loose

    This is a rather comical vid of a frustrated cop that attempts to impose his will on a man. But the man is armed with knowledge and wins.




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    The funny thing I picked up on was the "fear" your gun was causing.
    If that cop wanted to charge you with creating public fear " Or whatever kind of crap", then he would have a hard time explaining why he constantly turned his back and ignored you.
    Its pretty obvious that the cop has a problem with citizens carrying guns. He didnt seem to fear for his life as he turned his back on the MWAG.
    These idiots that constantly harass citizens simply because they are armed need to be fired!

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    meh.........I give the cameraman low marks on civility. To be sure, the cop made mistakes. The cameraman challenges, the cop thinks it through and backs down. Hectoring the cop with "Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained?" while following the cop around, trespassing, and threatening that you're instantly uploading footage to the internet looked like a deliberate effort to prolong a hostile confrontation.

    Is it right for an LEO to try to intrude on citizen rights? Of course not. Once you've asserted your rights, though, is it okay to make an LEO's job harder? As a taxpayer and citizen, I say no. I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, please be aware that I RDGAF. I'll put on my asbestos undies so y'all can flame away.
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    A little provoking, but I'm sure it was all in good fun on the part of both parties.
    The cameraman has a good tale and the officer can regale his coworkers about how he had enough self control that "if that boy hadn't had a camera, I'd a knocked some sense into his head."

    Oh, I'm sure it was a deliberate effort to prolong a hostile situation; but when you're winning you don't stop fighting just because your opponent runs away, do you?
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    Some useful videos. Videos of all 10 rules are available on youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba View Post
    meh.........I give the cameraman low marks on civility. To be sure, the cop made mistakes. The cameraman challenges, the cop thinks it through and backs down. Hectoring the cop with "Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained?" while following the cop around, trespassing, and threatening that you're instantly uploading footage to the internet looked like a deliberate effort to prolong a hostile confrontation.

    Is it right for an LEO to try to intrude on citizen rights? Of course not. Once you've asserted your rights, though, is it okay to make an LEO's job harder? As a taxpayer and citizen, I say no. I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, please be aware that I RDGAF. I'll put on my asbestos undies so y'all can flame away.
    I agree with you.

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    Give that cameraman a doughnut!!! Sarge looks like someone took a dump in his best pair of underwear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Oh, I'm sure it was a deliberate effort to prolong a hostile situation; but when you're winning you don't stop fighting just because your opponent runs away, do you?
    Yes you do stop once your opponent runs away. You fought to stop the threat, and now the threat has ended. Unless, of course, this is a sanctioned fight; then you fight 'til the ref says stop.

    Good for the cameraman to assert his rights, but once the cop walked away, that should have been the end of it. Was this guy just looking to confront a cop? Was he even with the group that was already detained? Makes us look bad...

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    The rude and ignorant police officer did not make it clear that the cameraman was NOT being detained and was free to go -- he merely walked away and ignored the inquiry by the cameraman. I could see a situation where leaving could be intentionally misconstrued as fleeing from the police, especially when the officer was showing himself to be anti-gun, rude, and aggressive.

    I probably would have continued asking also instead of assuming that I could leave, though in a less confrontational manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaixner View Post
    The rude and ignorant police officer did not make it clear that the cameraman was NOT being detained and was free to go -- he merely walked away and ignored the inquiry by the cameraman. I could see a situation where leaving could be intentionally misconstrued as fleeing from the police, especially when the officer was showing himself to be anti-gun, rude, and aggressive.

    I probably would have continued asking also instead of assuming that I could leave, though in a less confrontational manner.
    Nice try, but the cop did nothing to suggest the cameraman was being detained. It's patently obvious that the cameraman's intention was to provoke further exchange with the LEO in the hope of getting some juicy video footage. That's why his tone was, as you point out, confrontational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaixner View Post
    The rude and ignorant police officer did not make it clear that the cameraman was NOT being detained and was free to go -- he merely walked away and ignored the inquiry by the cameraman. I could see a situation where leaving could be intentionally misconstrued as fleeing from the police, especially when the officer was showing himself to be anti-gun, rude, and aggressive.

    I probably would have continued asking also instead of assuming that I could leave, though in a less confrontational manner.
    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba View Post
    Nice try, but the cop did nothing to suggest the cameraman was being detained. It's patently obvious that the cameraman's intention was to provoke further exchange with the LEO in the hope of getting some juicy video footage. That's why his tone was, as you point out, confrontational.
    I tend to agree that it was possibly a bit too confrontational to follow the cop around asking "am I being detained?", or at least asking that many times, but amaixner does raise a valid concern and although you can say that something is patently obvious, sometimes the "obvious" isn't the truth. It used to be patently obvious that the sun revolved around the earth.

    Even though it sickens me that it could happen in even my wildest dreams, I can see someone walking away and being tazed (or worse) for "evading arrest" if it was in any way unclear as to detainment.

    Was it confrontational? Yes, but on the other hand:
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    I loved this video, it's too bad it doesn't say in the video description on which state this took place. Although, it had to be a state where open carry was legal and does not require a permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro01 View Post
    I loved this video, it's too bad it doesn't say in the video description on which state this took place. Although, it had to be a state where open carry was legal and does not require a permit.
    Pardon, but why must it be a state where an openly carried firearm does not require a permit?
    In the state of Georgia where one must have a weapons license to carry a handgun, I would do the same as the cameraman and be quite legal in refusing to produce identification unless the officer had an articulable suspicion that I was committing a crime.

    Does openly carrying a firearm in a state that requires a permit differ substantially from openly driving a car in a state that requires a permit to drive? Are the police allowed to pull over anyone they see operating a motor vehicle, just to make sure they are licensed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Pardon, but why must it be a state where an openly carried firearm does not require a permit?
    In the state of Georgia where one must have a weapons license to carry a handgun, I would do the same as the cameraman and be quite legal in refusing to produce identification unless the officer had an articulable suspicion that I was committing a crime.

    Does openly carrying a firearm in a state that requires a permit differ substantially from openly driving a car in a state that requires a permit to drive? Are the police allowed to pull over anyone they see operating a motor vehicle, just to make sure they are licensed?
    The fact that the cameraman knew and stated that his openly carried firearm did not require a permit is a strong indicator that the state in which it happened does not require a permit for open carry.

    Many states require that if one is carrying in a manner requiring a permit, the permit must be shown upon demand by an LEO. This is often specifically written into the law. This may not be the way it should be, nor the way we want it to be, but that is how it currently is in many states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaixner View Post
    The fact that the cameraman knew and stated that his openly carried firearm did not require a permit is a strong indicator that the state in which it happened does not require a permit for open carry.

    Many states require that if one is carrying in a manner requiring a permit, the permit must be shown upon demand by an LEO. This is often specifically written into the law. This may not be the way it should be, nor the way we want it to be, but that is how it currently is in many states.
    Ahh, I was reading it as thought it said "that would never have happened in a state where a license was required to openly carry", and since I live in a state where a license is required to openly carry, it struck me as an odd statement.
    Georgia is a bit odd in that the newest version of the law states one must be "in possession" of a weapons license, but does not specify that the DL must be presented upon demand whilst operating a motor vehicle.


    I've occasionally contrasted "possession of" the GWL with "in one's immediate possession" in regards to a driver's license and the fact that the DL is specifically required to be presented. One can still be charged with being in possession of 20 kilo's of uncut heroin in one's garage even when one is 5 miles away having a coffee at Starbuck's. I don't think the definition of 'possession' changes according to the needs of the moment and what is being 'possessed'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amaixner View Post

    I probably would have continued asking also instead of assuming that I could leave, though in a less confrontational manner.

    Thats why you should then make an assertive statement that you are free to leave then and leaving, if the officer doesn't say anything. Then leave, if it ever went to court, you would have made a legal and lawful assertion, that went undisputed, so it's assumed to be true.
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